Everyone partakes of nerdiness as a child. But college is where you determine if you will be a geek for the rest of your life. In fact, dorm life is the perfect environment for deep (waaaay too deep) conversations on the nature of nerd-dom. And what nerdier, more controversy-inducing question is there out there than this: In an all-out brawl to the death, to the very last man, who would win: the DC Universe or the Marvel Universe?

Who would win in a fight: DC or Marvel?

Who would win in a fight: DC or Marvel?

We at College Life came to loggerheads when this question was posed to the group. Feelings were hurt and blood was shed (of course, my fingers survived to type this post). So we decided to pose the question to our visitors (to wreak similar havoc across the blogosphere).

In one corner, we have the DC Universe, populated with hosts of nigh-invincible super-beings like Superman, Wonderwoman, Doomsday, Vision, the Anti-Monitor, and the Green Lantern. These folks have collectively battled through numerous galactic Crises (one was enough for me, thanks). And when all other heroes fail, there is always one being that stands above them all: Superman. Only two weaknesses could be a chink in the Man of Steel’s armor: kryptonite and his innate goodness.

In the other corner, the Marvel Universe is full of heroes legendary in their own right, but also flawed and mortal. Marvel characters, by design, are a bit more down to earth. Aside from the Hulk, you’d be hard-pressed to find many ultra-powered beings in the Marvel Universe. You do have super-powerful beings like Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, Magneto, Professor X, Thor, and Galactus easily capable of delivering a hefty blow to Superman and pals.

So who do you think would win? Would you not pay money to see Tony Stark duke it out with Bruce Wayne? Or the Hulk hold a slugfest with Superman? Tell us who you think would win and why in the comments section below.

And, just to kick things off, I think Superman has the grit and limitless strength to lay waste to the entire Marvel Universe. Game on!

1,265 comments on “Marvel vs. DC: Who Would Win?

  • I think many people are not looking at the end story, Marvel would win hands down, simply because of the Hulk. I hear a lot of peple say Superman would beat the hulk because of his super speed and almost invincible power, I say look thee nay. Superman has died at the hands of Doomsday, enough said! If the super speed issue was true Supes would have had no trouble beating Doomsday. The Hulk is probably 100 times (or more)stronger than Doomsday. Once DC’s strongest is neutralized the Hulk would destroy The DC Universe by himself, nuff said excelsior people. Rememember the Hulk is the strongest one there is period!!!!!!

  • NO no. Just no. Marvel would not have a chance of beating DC. As to your hulk vs superman comment, true, the hulk is incredibly strong, and would indeed pose a serious threat to superman, but you obviously don’t know about ALL of his powers. If supes used his laser vision and his rarely seen cold breath, I believe he could turn the fight in his favor.(I am not being biased, I don’t really like superman, I think he is far to powerful) Also, there are many different ways to finish the hulk. I mean, the guy has the mindset of a two year old, someone like lex luthor might figure something out, and the flash could vibrate through him, causing him to become nothing but a green stain on the sidewalk. Plus, you have to remember, the hulk will revert back to his human form if nobody fights him and he calms down. And I think we all know that bruce banner is not exactly a powerhouse. While he is in human form, they wouldn’t need a vaguely powerful person to take him out. Deadshot the DC assasin could easily snipe him, and he wouldn’t have time to turn into hulk. Also, as you stated earlier, Marvel lacks the heavy hitters they would need to take out DC. I know there are some, but they are all the least popular. When you thing about it, the more popular heroes would probably be the first ones down. Spiderman, while very popular, and loved by many (myself included), isn’t all that strong. He is really lucky he doesn’t have to fight anyone who can fly, or any other real threat. Think about it. If the hulk started smashing up his city, how could he possibly beat him? Or if pretty much any of the good DC villains came to town (darseid, brainiac, mongul,), and decided they didn’t like his neighborhood, spidey wouldn’t pose much of a threat. In fact, there are many reasons DC would win. I never really understood why captain america was even considered to be a decent hero. I get it, he is so patriotic, he pretty strong and smart, in a normal human kinda way, but how could he take out someone like batman? Batman has loads of high tech equipment, and he’s rich. CA has a freaking sheild! I mean, what if he throws it and it doesn’t come back to him? He’s dead. Another popular but inept character. Now let’s look at marvels best card, the x-men. Hey, I like DC better than marvel, but who doesn’t think the x-men are awesome? Individually, the x-men would be small time heroes like spidey, but together they are indeed a force to be reconned with. To defeat the x-men, you would have to eliminate Xavier. He is what binds them together, take him out of the equation, and they not only lose a powerful team member, they lose their leader. The team might not fall apart, but they might not be at their best either. However, taking out The Prof. would be no simple matter. Most heroes/villains wouldn’t even make it within striking distance without him knowing, and forcing his will upon them. If you took him out, you would have to either be REALLY far away, or stronger than him. The martian manhunter is a telepath, but I’m not sure if he is on par with him. He could probably tale out Emma Frost, using his other powers easily, but X would be a problem. Here is how I would see it. He Jonn takes the form of some low ranking X-man who charles doesn’t know very well, after studying him or her for months. He protects his mind using his telepathy, and asks if he can talk to the Xavier, claiming he has something important to tell him. Charles finds no reason not to, and scanning his mind, he allows him into his office, where, as he turns away from him, jonn turns his hand into a sharp blade, and quickly plunges it into Charles, killing him. He then escapes using his intagability to fly through the walls, making a clean getaway, while the X-men are still none the wiser. That would be the beggining of the end of the x-men. Each of the more powerful ones(Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, etc.) are hunted down and destroyed while alone. Lastly, I don’t think you know all of supes weaknesses. Kryponite is indeed one, but electicity, if it is strong enough, can at least stun him. Magic also effects him, and removal from the sun. Yes, for those of you who don’t know, Clark is solar-powered.

  • How to kill the hulk:
    Let’s see, any telepath could give hulk the mind on par with a bag of chips (which actually might be an improvement on the guy). The flash could vibrate through him, causing him to explode, superman could use his ice breath on him and chuck him into space, Green Lantern could take away his air supply, or, get ready for this, they could just not fight him, and he would revert to his human form. Easy kill. Bruce Banner himself is the opposite of the hulk, and one of the DC assasins, deadshot maybe, could snipe him, so there would be no time for him to turn into the hulk.

  • Name any marvel character, and I can tell you which DC character that would easily destroy them.

  • I have to go with Marvel on this debate. Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be a war that would take ages to play out but I simply think Marvel has a slight upper hand. My main reason for thinking they have the upper hand is mainly because of Prof. X and the Punisher. I know, the Punisher probably wasn’t what you were expecting but this is a man who in a what if/alt. universe comic called “The Punisher kills the marvel universe” was able to kill every hero and villain in the Marvel universe. Now, I think if he’s able to take down the likes of an immortal like Wolverine and all the other overpowered heroes and villains, he can find a way to take down Superman and Wonder woman and all THOSE overpowered heroes and villains. As for the Prof. X portion of this argument. I have to disagree with Luke from his response. I don’t think it would be as simple as camoflage and a backstabbing from the Manhunter. As he stated “The manhunter is a telepath but I don’t think he’s up to par with him” so I’m pretty certain Xavier would be able to see through the manhunters disguise…and that’s even if the manhunter would actually make it that far. Another big point about Xavier is that he’s got Cerebro. He can locate anyone, anywhere, any time (which I think also goes hand in hand with the Punisher argument being able to help him locate his targets easier). Plus, even if Xavier were to die Marvel still has the telekinetic capabilities of the Pheonix (aka Jean Grey) and the leadership of Cyclops…Or the X-team would fall under the leadership of S.H.I.E.L.D./Col. Fury or Capt. America or Stark or any other of the top dog leaders in the Marvel Universe. Now, I’m not saying that Marvel’s side totally depends on those specific people…I’m sure Deadpool would have much fun helping out the Punisher and Jean would help out with the Prof… And I’m sure the combination of physical prowess of The Hulk, The Juggernaut, Colossus, Hercules, ect. The God-like powers of Thor, Impossible Man, Mephisto, Magneto, Silver Surfer, Apocolypse, ect and the strategic planning of S.H.I.E.L.D, The X-men, Avengers and the other random singled out characters who just know what the f*** they’re doing Could overcome DC in the end….Either that or Galactus could just f*in destroy everything leaving only himself to reign supreme. Lol

  • Thanks for reminding me about cerebro caanan, I had forgotten about that. I’m surprised you know so many of the marvel heavy hitters, and you’re right, they would cause quite a bit of havoc with DC. But, you seem to be forgetting one of DC’s best cards, batman. Yes, batman is a normal person, not even chemically enhanced like Captain America. However, he is a GENIUS. He takes on people who are way stronger than him, yet he defeats them on a regular basis. He studies people, discovers their strengths, their weaknesses, and and strikes at just the right time with one of his beastly weapons. Also, It’s true that X has telepathy, but that doesn’t work on androids, now does it. One word. Brainiac. His telepathy would be useless against him, and if he attacks while the x-men are cruisin’ around in the x-jet kicking the snot out of the brotherhood, there would be no one except maybe a few weak x-men there. X would get murdered by The destroyer of Krypton. Now let’s talk about Jean Grey. In practically every episode, she basically goes crazy and blows stuff up, occaisoinally a few of her friends, and seems to lose her memories like, every week. She’s probably not leader material after they lose Xavier. AND, what no one seems to realize, is that DC has the power of every Olympian god on their side. Thor is good, but against Zeus, Ares, Hephaestus, Hermes, and Hades( who is god of the dead by the way That’s pretty awesome any way you say it) He is pretty much done for. I already stated ways to beat the hulk, and flash could take out Magneto deadpool, or possibly even silver surfer with a little thing called speed force. I mean, he beat a fused Brainiac/Lex Luthor alone after Bruthor(or should it be Lainiac?:) defeated every other member of the Justice League Including Superman and green lantern. Check out this video if you don’t believe me, but be warned, the flash will become your favorite superhero in the world after you see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53OyPYa7SEI. Plus, DC has got thier fair share of robotic suit wearing fliers. The Mecha, S.T.R.I.P.E., Steel, The villain Devil Ray, and Batman( when he’s wearing his rarely used battle suit) there may be others, but I can’t recall them now. Speaking of batman, he could probably beat the punisher, he beat copperhead, grundy, star saphire, and shade on his own. I’ll admit, the punisher has done some pretty cool stuff, but he doesn’t have toys like batman does. Batman doesn’t even have to be there to beat him. He could just remote control his batmobile, bat plane, bat robotic suit, heck, even the batboat. And if that doesn’t work, he could go fight him with the four people he brings as back up, and if things start to go wrong, he could just call superman, or any of the other justice leaguers. There is a saying among DC fans about batman, He may lose the battle, but he alwys wins the war. Now, let’s talk about the fantastic four. Please tell me I am not the only one who despises the thing. He’s orange. He’s made of rocks. He’s strong. With these powers and the IQ of a sneaker, the thing attempts to fight incredibly powerful villains. When you think about, with all his strenghts, the thing is the weakest member of the four. Why? He is stupid. While this may not be a problem for most super strength characters, the thing isn’t good enough for it to not be a problem. Let’s say he’s on his own. What happens when the bad guy goes in or over the ocean. The thing is made of rocks. He tries to fight the villain. He sinks to the bottom of the lake. He dies. The villain starts flying. The thing can’t jump really high like the hulk. He tosses some cars at him and shouts some threats that a preschooler could top. Villain shoots him repeatadly until Ben Grimm dies.
    Next to go would probably be johnny storm. Yes, he’s pretty powerful, but he isn’t very responsible or very smart. Against a genius, he would probably lose. However, if they lost Mr. Fantastic, they would be doomed. Without him, ther’s no one to create some uber-powerful weapon that is the only thing that hurts the giant mutant robotic lobster that’s attacking town. It would be a challenge, but if DC takes out reed richards, the fantastic four, or now the titanic trio, would get raped. Any other strong character would get overwhelmed by the entire green lantern core.

  • Also, Amazo and Dr. Manhatten(member of the watchmen) could probably beat the surfer and possibly even galactus with their impossible cosmic power (although I really don’t like Dr. Manhatten, or any of the other members of the watchmen for that matter). SHEILD is pretty good, especially as they own the avengers, but I highly doubt most of the x-men(or women) would willingly join them. Wolverine especially. Even if all of the Marvel teams joined together, there would be so much arguing and head-butting within the team, they wouldn’t be together for long. Now the justice league on the other hand… they are a perfectly uniformed team, always obeying orders from the original seven members without much, if any, question. Alright, let’s look at bases. Spiderman has his cruddy apartment building, with a manager who threatens to cut off his head every day when he inevitably fails to pay the rent… I won’t even explain this one. The Avengers have sheild. While this is an excellent base-of-operations, it is still possible to infiltrate. The same goes for the fantastic fours tower, I mean, they let anyone into their baxter building, CIVILIANS live their for goodness sake. They would never consider that the strange man with the white make-up, green hair, and purple suit could be a homicidal maniac with a nuclear bomb or something. The justice league on the other hand, dwell in an orbital sattelite, not to mention they have like every hero on the planet on their team. There are so many advantages it’s crazy. They are always in space, so should an alien invasion occur, they are there waiting, and if anyhting awful happens to earth, they aren’t on it. They can go anywhere on earth with the help of their teleporters or javelin jets, (and half of their members don’t even need these to travel from earth to space, with the added bonus of pulling a leauger from a difficult situation. Let’s not forget their super laser. Basically, it’s a really big laser gun like the death star, except not as powerful. They don’t like that drug operation in the desert? Boom, there’s a huge crater where it used to be. That in itself could take out the ground units of marvel. If they really wanted to get rid of spidey, they could just destoy new york, or the baxter building, or shield HQ. Maybe even X’s joint. Some of the heroes might survive, but they would be weakened, and the league could teleport their best people to take them out. As for the punisher, yes, he is a tactical genius, but, the leauge has two of the three world’s smartest people, not including batman. With these advantages, I believe DC could beat anything Marvel has to offer.

  • Idk. It’s hard for me to make a legitimate argument because I don’t know the inner details of DC as I do about Marvel. I guess I’m kinda biased because I like Marvel a lot more. Part of the reason I think you might be right about DC being able to win is also the main reason why I wasn’t really ever a big fan was because everyone seems a bit too overpowered. Don’t get me wrong, I know Marvel has a few Gods/Immortals/Overpowered people too but not everybody has something that makes them an Uber-Hero. Like Quicksilver is the Marvel counterpart to the Flash but he doesn’t get a Speed Force. The Punisher is a regular bad-ass man but he doesn’t have a big ass battle suit. Those are just two I felt like mentioning from your argument. Also, I’m not really sure where the rant about the Fantastic 4 came from but I must agree, the Thing is Marvel’s bitch character. But other than Susan, I wouldn’t really expect any of the 4 to be huge part in the war. Though, I think her powers of invisibility and force fields (just to name the original basic powers) for her and her Marvel companions would make a HUGE difference. But when it comes to leadership I don’t think it all relies on Reed and Xavier (for the 4 and x-men). The 4 (well, in this case 3) have always seemed willing to play along with others for the greater good and the x-men clearly don’t completely rely on the professor since he had died somewhere in the series and Magneto was the new leader of the x-men. Plus, they’ve got Storm and Cyclops to help a leadership hand with them. But, then again, I don’t know how well they’d work with SHIELD and all of that. I would think that everyone would work together if it meant survival. Oh, speaking of Storm, I think because of her power it might make things more difficult for the space station to do it’s thing because of affecting the weather and all that…But I’m not sure what all the station can do so I don’t really have a lot to back on with that argument so I’m sure it’s not logical but I figured I’d throw the idea out there for just in case purposes. And with your argument about the Olympian gods, don’t forget that Marvel has all the Asgardian Gods. Though they may not all be as famous as Zues and Hades, Odin and Mephisto I think are right up there in rank. Along with their Asgardian army of demigods. Idk. I’m still kind of split on the argument because I think it really depends on what kind of war it would be and the one on one match ups. Though I think it would be a lot of guerrilla warfare kind of action and with that kind of war in the end I do think that Marvel could pull out a Win but if every single character were matched up one on one I could see DC going over…But again, I am a bit biased and I’m going on the…not so in depth knowledge I have of the DC universe. So I could be wrong. I never like to preach certainty. Lol

  • Plus, who knows, in the end they could pull a MK vs. DC story where the heroes of both end up facing the villains in which case all of this arguing has been for nothing.

  • I get you canaan. Many people accuse DC, specifically superman, of being “broken”. The main reason for this is the fact he was one of the first superheroes ever. The people who created him couldn’t see the future, so they just loaded him up with every awesome obvious superpower they could think of, not thinking that after a while, people like you and me would begin to view him as too powerful. Also something that’s funny is the convieniance factor. It gauruntees that every hero fights a villain that he or she can defeat. Take spiderman for example. When you think about it, how lucky is the guy? He fights mostly stupid grunts (like Rhino) who give him time to say one-liners before he kicks them in the head or something. What would happen if Magneto came to New York? Or Quicksilver? Or Mephisto(though I think that he wouldn’t even bother with spidey). He would not be able to do much. But that never happens does it? I’m not limiting it to Marvel, DC has the same problem. Take superman. He is insanely powerful, and the only villains he fights are those who can hurt him as well. You’ve got Lex Luthor, a genius who could eventually figure out a way to make a Kryptonite bomb or something, the parasite, with the ability to steal superman’s power, Livewire, who uses electricity, one of the only things that hurt superman, Metallo, who’s got a freaking Kryptonite heart! Darkseid, Kalibak, Mongul, and Lobo, who are basically big hulking freaks that can actually hurt superman, and many others. The point is, superman never fights people like Mr. Freeze, Coperhead, and Cheetah. Why? Because he would own them! That would only cause more people to dislike superman for being too powerful. Anyways, I didn’t know a whole lot about Marvel, I knew about Iron Man, The Four, The x-men, and spidey, with research, I found out about the avengers and shield. I didn’t even know about Impossible Man, Mephisto, or Apocalypse until you posted about them. So I guess I don’t know as much about Marvel as I should either. After reasearching them a bit, as well as watching some videos and reading some comics, I really started to like some of Marvels people. The Avengers are my favorite. I think that spider-man should join them so he could matter more, and add some popularity to them. There aren’t many teams on DC, the only well known ones are the Justice League and the Legion of Superheroes. I really don’t like the Legion, because they have people with such random, weird, stupid and useless people on their side. I mean bouncing boy? He’s fat. and he bounces. Wow. and let’s not forget the mighty matter-eater lad. Every time I think of him, I just start laughing. He’s a guy with the ability to eat and digest pretty much anything. How did they let him on their team? I think It would be funny to let these guys attack Marvel first, just to get rid of them. One of the best things Marvel could do was get some kryptonite, though superman is replaceable. Captain Marvel and Black Adam both have Superman’s flight, strength, and invulnerability abilities. It would also be very interesting to see all the heroes from both sides fighting all of the villains from both sides. Lastly, in DC’s defense, yes they are extremely powerful, but so are many of the villains. As I mentioned earlier, Brainiac would be able to beat X, but he also might be able to beat the rest of the team using his control over all machinary(not just metal). Lastly, if batman fought captain America, who do you think would win?

  • I think this would be a epic fight. I know alot of information about both, and i lean more towards marvel. I think that at the end of the day these characters that marvel has that can just destroy a planet by willing it, the characters that do damage of universal proportions would take the win. But if it was a say ten on ten match up of the most popular characters, DC has the edge. But let us also think about who would write this battle, i think that there are more marvel fans out there, so marvel writers would most likely write this battle, so they would find some way for there characters to win. All comic characters have a weakness. If you think about it DC characters weaknesses are more obvious, they dont have as many as marvel characters but Superman has his kryptonite. So in ending it would depend on what the fans wanted, because a DC fan could find a way to kill all marvel characters and a Marvel fan could find a way to kill all DC characters. With that said i believe that there are more Marvel fans so Marvel gets the win. I myself, a lover of all comics, at the end of the day would pick Marvel

  • Oh, and there was one thing you were wrong about Luke. Now only would Wolverine join the Avengers, he did. He was a member of the New Avengers in recent years.

  • Luke, you do make a good point about the convenience factor but I think when it comes to Spidey, I think he’s a pretty reliable ally. If nothing else, as a defensive or a distraction. With his agility and spider sense he’s pretty good at avoiding most things that aren’t on a catastrophic level. On Hacker’s take on the weaknesses he’s very right though the more I thought about it, the more I realized how, in the end, most characters (mainly heroes) are just human. Captain America, Flash, Iron Man, Batman, Black Panther, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Green Lantern, ect….all it would take is a bullet to the f***in head of any of these (I’m not 100% on Wonder Woman cause I’ve always seen her reflect them with her bracelets) would take them out. It’s not some big specific weakness…I don’t know. I’m not really sure what my point is, but I just found that interesting. How we kinda keep thinking about these people going against other superpowers and how something so simple could take them out with one slip up. But what I also think is funny is with in mind, it shows just how overpowered superman is. It takes someone as crazy overpowered as Doomsday to finally take him down and still he lives on through 4 partial supermen. Not only is he practically unkillable, but when he does die he’s still alive and can go back to being the original Superman?…WTF?! Anyway, I’m done ranting about Superman now. Luke, I’m glad I could let you know about more Marvel characters and I’ll try to look more into DC so I can have a more educated argument but I have to go with Hacker6 on this one. It’s all about the writer(s) and fanbase…Though, it’s nice to think about if all this stuff were actually real and was an actual battle of the universes. But written or real, I still gotta go with Marvel.

  • Alright, first off, let’s not try to make this a popularity contest. I agree with your marvel/DC writers thing hacker, but let’s look at this in a logical fashion. I’d like at least some reasons why you think marvel could take down dc, not that there are more people who like marvel. I’ll admit it, marvel is more popular, but (and I’m not completely sure about this) I heard disney bought marvel. That in itself is bad enough. I think that marvel is sinking to a point where the only people who will like them are deluded hyper fanboys(like andre), instead of people who actually know what they are talking about, and marvel will start to be liked simply because of it’s popularity. That being said, It would be hard to just shoot a green lantern, canaan, one of their moves include a protective aura that blocks the wearer from low level forms of contact (bullets, lasers) with little to no effort. There are many heroes however, from both the marvel and dc side, that could get owned by making one small mistake. Green Arrow, for one. I don’t care how good an archer he is, guns>bows. Two seconds in a fire fight and he’s dead on the ground. Same deal with hawkeye from marvel. Trick arrows are sort of cool, but what happens when you uh, run out? That doesn’t happen as much with guns. I guess your right about the spider-man thing, canaan, but the only thing missing in your equation is an ally. Im just waiting for spidey to finally wise up and join some team (avengers maybe?) so he can stop fighting nobody villains (well, except for venom, and maybe sandman. I guess goblin too) and start making a real difference. One of these days he’s going to be so caught up in one of his one-liners, his spider-sense won’t be able to save him. Another thing, how smart is peter parker exactly? How the heck did a teenager come up with some web launchers so he can swing around the city? I mean, if he’s really that smart, why not make something really cool, like a jetpack, or rocket boots or something. What if the villain starts flying over a lake or a wide flat area with no large objects to swing/wall crawl around? He’s lost half of his advantage already. If you think about it, spider-man is just as overrated as superman is overpowered. DC has the same problem with some heroes/villains. Let’s look at Hawkman.
    How in the name of all that is good, did he get a spot on the league? The way I see it, his interview went something like this: Superman-hello hawkman, welcome to our HQ. Let’s begin. First off, what are your powers? Hawkman-I can fly with the use of my wings. Wonder Woman-Half of the league members can do that without wings…. Green Lantern- Anything else? Invulnerability, super-strength, anything?!? Hawkman-uhhhhhh, I occaisonally have some form of melee wepon? Flash- Wow hawkman, you really sulk. Aquaman- He has my vote! The same thing goes for Giant Man/Antman in the Avengers. He grows really big. Bigger target. He shrinks. He makes no significant difference until some guy steps on him and slips. At least Wasp can shrink, shoot energy bolts, and fly! That makes her some use in secret missions, or survailiance maybe. Anyway, rant over. About the silver surfer, what exactly is it that makes him any less hideously overpowered than superman? In my opinion, he is way more overpowered. Who the heck does he fight? Other than Galctus? He can create anything, has superhuman strength, flight, is telepathic, has the ability to create black holes, survive in stars, has no need for sleep, eating, or even breathing, can travel at the speeed of light and beyond, can destroy entire planets with his energy bolts, can heal anyone at any stage of injury(except thank goodness, death), can see the future(and past)his freaking board can imprison people, the dude has even used his Power Cosmic to time travel, along with pretty much anything you can think of. Does that seem maybe just a little too powerful to you? Maybe just a little? It would take the combined might of Dr Manhatten, Amazo, Bat Mite, and Mr Mxyzptlk to stop him. You probably have no idea who most of those people are, because they aren’t featured much, and if so, only as jokes, unlike the surfer. Marvel has people just as bad as DC, if not worse.

  • Obviously marvel due to ghost rider…every freaking time you kill him he comes back… not to mention the marvel universe, unlike dc universe is just littered with the unkillable..

  • Not unkillable justin, hard to kill. As for ghost rider… you obviously haven’t heard of the blue devil. Along with agility, enhanced strength, and energy bolts, he has the power to banish any demon(or other inhabitant of the “bad place”) right back where it came from. Permanently, if he feels like it. As for the other “unkillables”, wolverine’s healing factor is incredible, he has healed from a single amoeba before, there is a special blade that he gave to cyclops that can rip his soul from his body. It wouldn’t be too challenging to capture cyclops, and get the martian manhunter, or even grodd, to read his mind to find out where it is. As for deadpool, his healing factor is limited, too many injuries that he ddoesn’t get a chance too heal from and he’s toast.

  • has anyone even looked at my post? the little joke i made about not offcounted by 210 was real. dc really has 260 planets and marvel has 14. plus marvel has less superheroes than dc(and this doesn’t mean anything, but marvel was bought by disney). another thing. the punisher. for those of you who didn’t look at the other post i set up, it was deathstroke(slade) vs the punisher. slade beat him to a bloody pulp, and then mixed him with water and put him in a bunch of cups on a table outside. he then sold them for twenty-five cents each.

  • Marvel hands down. Now if you narrowed it down DC would win some battles but over-all Marvel. Superman? The Beyonder would snap his finger and make him disappear.

  • 10 people from marvel that with them teamed would take out all d.c. world war hulk. gladiator. galactus. phoenix force. in betweener. the ghost riders. nitro. super adaptoid. beta ray bill. dr. strange.

  • ok wow great arguments really but lets see
    Marvel is very powerfull but way more down to earth than DC
    DC has way more planets and beings that would definitly destroy all beings from Marvel
    im a loyal DC fan
    LEts think about this: In marvel they have the avengers which is a very powerful team but the fight villains that no single being can beat that being said DC have the justice league they could just spread out the founding six (superman,batman,flash,martian,wonderwoman,greenlantern) and beat six avenger teams by them selfs
    and still have the whole rest of the JLA and the whole multiverse to fight the rest of Marvel
    DC is just smarter and more powerfull
    it would probably take 3 or 4 to take on silver surfer though
    also Marvel has more mortal heroes and spiderman is awsome but useless at times if your in a huge war
    also DC universe is way bigger than Marvel universe
    Superman is the greatest like it or not he is the best there is yes he has been killed before but found a way to survive that
    He is an unstoppable for even when he is not trying and i really think he would wipe out half of marvel and then the rest of DC would finish them off
    JLA rulez and Superman is the greatest ( he could be a God )

  • yea i agree with lilrico305
    DC is incredibly powerful and so is marvel but DC has a better edge
    Also the whole DC multiverse would work together very well as for Marvel you really wouldnt see xmen and avengers getting along

  • DC hands down
    DC has superman and the JLA green lantern corp legion, and much more independent beings
    i know marvel has more teams but DC is more organized
    also to take on This Galactus character
    it be really hard but the Anti monitor would destroy him

  • Yes! Finally, this poll is starting to get interesting. For all of the impossible characters, such as the surfer, DC has people like that as well, may I direct your attention to Amazo, Dr. Manhatten, Mr. Mxyzptlk, and Bat-Mite. All with impossible powers. Dr. Fate is just as good as Dr. Strange, all of marvel’s demons (mephisto, and ghost rider) would be sent back to hell by the blue devil, and any DC android (like brainiac, or red tornado) could take out any Marvel telepaths, as their telepathy has no effect on them. Let’s not forget the might of the ENTIRE Green Lantern Core! They alone could take out the x-men, and probably galactus. Also, alittle known fact about the green lanterns, they have an alien similar to the near-exctinct krypotians. Imagine superman with a green lantern ring. Yeah, I just don’t see how marvel has a chance of lasting more than a few days. Lastly, while marvel does have their powerhouses, most of their heroes/villains are not very powerful. Batman could beat many of them without even putting on his thinking cap. Tell me about one awesome marvel caracter, and I could tell you about ten.

  • To rice’s ten people, I forgot the Anti-Moniter. He could beat galactus at his weakest, and even world war hulk can be defeated, perhaps by teleportation, or Amazo(as strong as the surfer) or By any of the uber-magical people I mentioned earlier. The ghost riders could be sent back to hell for all eternity by the blue devil, Dr, fate, Zattanna, and Etrigan could murder Dr. Strange, I’m pretty sure that the entire Green Lantern Core could take out the In-Betweener, they fight people like him all the time. Nitro… seriously? The guy explodes himself. DC’s Captain Adam could just absorb him. Same as beta ray bill, unless someone dies laughing at his ridiculous name, DC has tons of people like him, He’s basically just like superman, except he can (occaisonally) control the weather and shoot energy bolts. He is good, but not as good as you’re making him out to be. The Super Adaptoid is basically just like Dc’s Parasite, or Amazo (before amazo gets super powerful). They fight people like that all the time, so he would only prove to be a minor challenge. Phoenix Force is incredibly awesome and powerful, but against the speed force? Doubtful. Flash could take out phoenix before it could attack if he used the speed force. Gladiator is just a cheap knock-off of superman, if superman, captain marvel, and black adam faught him, he would lose. Badly. In fact, it might just take superman. Next.

  • btw, all the beyonder can do is reality-warp. Many DC characters can do this as well. AMAZO, the Anti-Moniter, The Moniter, Mr. Mxy (tired of spelling his name) and Bat-Mite. Not to mention Dr. Manhatten. There may be others, but I believe that this is a sufficient example.

  • DC wins hands down marvel is a bunch of pre schoolers compared to DC superman is the best there is

  • Really? You’re serious? Well, popular demand (rabid fanboys) will probably have ironman winning. Unfortunately for my team, I’m not sure if batman could take down ironman. Unless we give him prep time. No matter how you look at it, batman is a far greater tactical genius then ironman is, and when it comes to researching you’re enemies to find out their strengths and weaknesses, which one seems more likely to do it? Batman. Ironman mostly makes stuff up as he goes along. If something happens, he’ll go there and have a slugfest with the villain. Batman, on the other hand, might know about whatever happens like, months beforehand, giving him time to take down the baddie before he can come close to causing an incedent. Now if they just met in an alley, or some other remote area, with no prep time… it might give ironman an advantage, but it wouldn’t guarantee anything. If any of you saw ironman 2, that whiplash guy who attacks ironman at the race gets pretty close to beating him, even when stark had the suit. Batman is much more agile then Ironman. Also, if we allowed Batman’s tactics, then he would probably pull a whiplash and attack stark when he’s not wearing the suit. Stark wouldn’t have a chance at that point. He has no martial arts skills, and he has no bodygaurds. If someone quickly tried to kill him, not giving him a chance to even get near the armour, then he’s doomed. Bruce trained with the greatest of the great, and is considered to be either the most dangerous (or second) man on the face of the earth. Batman would only have to pick one of the public speaking places stark’s at, (I mean, it wouldn’t be too dificult, everyone knows) and take him out. If they just met, then it would be an interesting fight, with most of the advantage going to stark. If there was enough cover, and buildings and stuff, batman has a chance. He also has a robotic suit of his own in some series, though he rarely uses it. I can’t really say much more for the fight. You’ll have to clarify on what the competitors have. For instance, is there prep-time? What suit does stark have? What weapons is bats allowed(vehicles, special weapons, etc.). Please clarify that, and this might be easier to answer.

  • Marvel will win first of all Luke i dont know if your into wacthing movies or anything but xzavier was killed in the begining of the movie and still the x-men were still able to defeat magnetos army. also whoever said superman could deafeat hulk they forgot about the red hulk or world war II hulk. If you want to make silver surfer fight against the green lantern i got nothing to say.

  • first off, the x-men beat key members of magneto’s army. Most of them were beat by the police with anti-mutant guns. Plus, magneto’s army wasn’t all that good. All DC has gotta do is whip up some anti-mutant formula, and there goes a large portion of the threat(any marvel mutant). So yeah, I guess I do watch the movies. You must have not heard my earlier posts. The Flash has speed force. Bye Hulk. Or, if he didn’t want to push himself, he could just vibrate through any of all of them. He can do that to anyone, no matter how strong they are. You may argue that Marvel would have tried that. The simple truth is, no one is that fast in their universe. Quicksilver is nowhere near as fast as The Flash, and he got his powers because he’s a mutant. The flash people get thiers from the speed force, It can’t really do anything, but it gave the flash his speed, and the ability to use speed force. With it, he can kill anyone. Watch this if you don’t believe me. The guy flash wastes was a fused brainiac Luthor, and he defeated every other member of the league. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53OyPYa7SEI. After watching this, you cannot say that the hulk has a chance. I agree with your green lantern vs surfer comment. I urge the administrator to not have this as one of the individual fights, as it would be way too one-sided. Thats about it.

  • first of all this luke guy really knows his comics
    and hes right
    magnetos army was mainly crap red hulk and world war hulk are incredibly strong but i am convinced that superman can take them and if not maybe the superman army and flash by himself cant destroy the hulk i am certain about that. Flash is the fastest thing in existence whether DC or Marvel.
    sometimes people dont understand how powerful Superman really is
    Marvel is incredible there cool and have awsome beings
    but DC will destroy them Superman himself would lay waist to avengers and fantastic 4 im sure
    DC wins supes all the way

  • even batman will kick asses of all marvel characters!
    dc will win obiviously
    cause all marvel have is mutant powers!!!
    which can be ended by vaccine!!
    as you seen in xmen movies!!!
    main advantage of dc is that their characters have a unique way of powers!
    like superman have his powers due to earth’s sun!!!
    green lantren due to something!!!!
    flash du to some other thing!!!
    batman dont have powers but he is ass kickin mind freak intelligent!
    well atleast he can make some antidode for marvel and kill their mutant powers!!!
    even hulk!!
    he is just an mutant!!!
    so simple thing to notice is that dc can beat marvel easily!!!
    ever scarecrow from dc can kick ass of dc characters!
    cause he hits directly into mind!!!
    by the way!
    i also love marvel!
    if we leave the antidode for mutant powers thing!
    then wolverine from marvel is enough to destroy dc!!!
    well the real answers we all are searching about who would win is nothing but a freaking destruction!!
    so stop talking about wars and who will win?? thing!
    and try to mke this world better!!!!
    without wars!!!
    without racist thing!! or black and white difference!
    proceed with one brotherhood
    the brotherhood of humanity!
    humans!
    enjoy!!!

  • To all you DC fans you got to be kidding me! Galactus, Thanos,Sentry, WW Hulk, Silver Surfer, Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange, Thor, Onslaught, Apocalypse, Phoenix, The Watcher, The Collector, Juggernant,Odin, The Beyonder, Black Bolt,Ultron, Molecule Man, and Gladiator alone would whip the whole DC Universe!

  • Oh and by the way, Superman is nothing! Silver Surfer would suck all the solar power out of him and he’s done! If Thanos has the Infinity Gaunlet its a wrapped for DC!

  • Speaking of the gaunlet, if Thanos uses just the Blue gem that controls minds, he could have Flash turn on all of DC and whip out his own team! Or use the Red Gem and duplicate Flashes speedforce and become invincible. And did i mention that Thanos can’t die since he married Lady Death? DC doesn’t stand a chance!

  • hahahahaaaa..!!!Quicksiver can defeat the flash!!! bringing flash into the marvel universe where there is no such thing as speed force.BOOM!!! think im lying? do the reserch yourself…Luke..Quicksilver has defeated your puny Flash!!!!
    *****IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?*****
    ANSWER ME DANM YOU!!!!

  • All right children, let’s calm down. Here is the way I see marvel: 70 percent weakish heroes/villains that superman alone could beat(wolverine, spiderman) twenty percent decently strong heroes/villains that barely anyone has heard of, and ten percent too powerful broken heroes/villains (galactus, surfer). Now, let me respond to the refreshing competition. First off, bones, you need to seriously consider taking whatever medication you’re on, like tripled. Second, you are being totally unfair. Why would the fight take place in marvel? Why not in some pocket universe, and everyone get’s all their powers. I think you are just trying to find an excuse for quicksilver, who, let’s be honest, isn’t all that good, especially compared to flash. Can quicksilver even run up walls? Can he vibrate through objects and people? can he create tornadoes and windstorms on a whim? can he run around the world in less than five seconds? Sadly, the answer to all of these questions are… no. Consider your comment answered. Now, stones, you will have to back that argument up. Why will marvel win by miles? You don’t seem intelligent if you say it that way. B-RAD, you have made the most sense of the three, (which let’s be honest, isn’t all that hard) but you don’t know much about DC. If you did, you would know about their super-cosmic people. Namely, the moniter. He is just like galactus, only he doesn’t just eat planets, he was there when the planets were created in the DC universe. Oh, yeah, he also has an evil version of himself called the anti-moniter. If they both fought galactus, he goes down. Whoever is left(if not both of them), could demolish the surfer with the help of the green, yellow, red, and black lantern cores. All exist, you can research them. You also must not of heard of Dr. Fate. He is just as powerful as strange, if not more so. If he had Zattana, Raven, and etrigan with him, strange and doom go down hard. Wonderwoman has beaten Thor before, and if she and superman double teamed him, he’s dead. It probably wouldn’t even come to that. You probably know(or maybe you don’t considering your scanty knowledge of DC) that Wonderwoman has a magic rope that forces people to tell her whatever she wants to know if it touches them as well as being unbreakable period. Not even the surfer can break it. What you probably don’t know, is that she has an unbreakable shield and a sword that can cut through anything, as well as magic armour. She only uses her items of power when there is a big war. I think this qualifies. So after she pwns thor, she could deal a whole bunch of ather damage to marvel. You cannot say she can’t, because they already have a wonderwoman vs thor thread, and more people voted for the princess. Add to the fact that greek is better than norse and you have a curbstomp. Btw, if thanos is so awesomly powerful, kindly explain to me why he was defeated by squirrel girl? probably had something to do with his EXTREME SQUIRREL ALLERGY! That’s right! all DC would need to beat him is a truckload of squirrels. He has been defeated by squirrel girl before. That alone should make him shrivel up and die. Sentry… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Have you honestly read world war hulk? Or practically every story that features him? He never fights because of his mental issues, and the heroes are always trying to convince him to fight, when(or if) he does, he makes no significant difference. He just got knocked around. May I introduce you to Black Adam, Lightray, Captain Marvel, Captain Adam, and Major Force. Superman could help if he felt like it. Even if sentry got help from gladiator, the lame superman copy-off, he get’s murdered. Darkseid would beat Apacolypse. He has an infinate army of crazed parademons (freakish clawed flying monsters). They may not be too much alone, but against an entire swarm of them, Apacolypse is in trouble. He also has his son, kalibak, who is just as strong as supes, and like, crazy about pleasing his dad. Darkseid also has loads of technology, and geniuses (desaad) whose sole purpose is to make Darkseids stuff deadlier and cooler. Lastly, Darkseid is as strong as superman, and has Omega vision. Basically, if it hits you, and you don’t have the word super in your name, he can either vaporize you, or teleport you lightyears in any direction. Notice how I didn’t even try to explain your surfer>superman comment. Surfer is broken. Even more so than superman. I already said how he would be beaten. Also, before I go on, the fight wouldn’t come down to superman. He is good, but he is not the only DC character. Please stop making scenarios where he dies. I get it, some of your marvel people wold beat him. And? DC isn’t doomed without supes. Especially seeing as there are like seven people who could take over for him. Now, back to buisiness. Odin. Has he really done that much? I suppose that doesn’t matter. Every greek god and goddess(who happen to be on DC’s side) could beat him. Bye Odin. I can’t even believe you mentioned juggernaut I just don’t see him doing much. Solomon Grundy would have a field day with him. Metamorpho could help if he felt like it. Black bolt is just a relatively strong guy who can scream loudly. So, what happens if someone like starfire and black lightning faught him. I mean, his scream can only do so much. DC have a person like that named Silver banshee, her voice could easily hold him back until someone else gets him. Captain Adam could just absorb molecule man. Dr. Manhatten beats onslaught with the help of Bat-Mite. As for Ultron… wow, for a second there I was worried he might be somebody. Some lame robot with varying abilities. Wow. Brainiac could beat him, anyone could. It just depends on his strenth level, and just pick the right heroes or villains on DC’s side. WW Hulk could be defeated magically. Amazo would whoop his behind, and then make him go to time out in a black hole 100 million lightyears away. Even if his ultimate cosmic power wasn’t enough, he could just look at hulk, thereby gaining every atribute ww hulk has, as well as his comic stuff. The green lantern core and the other color lantern cores would murder the watcher, and maybe the collector between them, if not, they could get help from Superman, supergirl,superboy,general zod, cyborg superman,fire, ice, and any of the other actually powerful heroes and villains in DC. One or all of the greek gods could beat the phoenix force easily. That concludes the DC curbstomp. Thank you.

  • You may be wondering why it is so easy to pick apart your arguments as to why marvel would beat DC the reason is they don’t have enough strong people. If you tell me about one super-powered marvel character, I could tell you about ten who could deafeat them. Marvel is just to far down to earth for their own good. That’s just the way it is. All the powerful vilains are put in the closet until the finale, where the heroes barely win. Marvel has trouble with those guys, but DC beats their DC replicas daily. DC is too powerful for Marvel. Period.

  • DC has beings that are crazy powerfulwhile marvel are heroes that are down to earth
    DC would waste marvel
    as i said i doubt silver surfer or anyone else could beat supes but prolly 1 or 2 marvel guyz
    Superman is extremely powerful when not trying so when he is really dangerous marvel is doomed
    now Anti monitor and monito eam up would eliminate marvel completly and i had forgotten about all the other lantern corps really marvel has no chance
    when people say marvel they think earths heroes or defenders of earth but DC you think universe protecters or galaxies
    DC heroes are like gods
    Marvel heroes are preschoolers
    Also people have forgotten how martian the manhunter is so powerful yes his weakness is fire but other than that yea pretty much top 25 strongest
    thor he is out the picture Wonderwoman can kick his ass like luke said and
    if darkseid and apokolips and all his minions teamed up with superman and the supermen army marvel really really has no f***** chance

  • the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets. the longer Superman would fight, Hulk would get angrier, therefore getting stronger. Hulks clap could blow Supes breath away, and his body could take the heat vision.
    I think i made my point.

  • The Beyonder !!would decapitate,the whole Dc Universe including Anybody that he wants and Superman Could not do a thing,Plus he would have his hands full with the Hulk!!Marvel Would win this!!!

  • The Beyonder Will Destroy and Re arrange the DC universe and Nobody in the DC Universe Would dare to Attack him !!our they Face extinction,He Is A Multiverse Himself,Please Read Secret Wars 1 and 2 and bow to the one from Beyond,and the Spectre ,does not have A chance!!!Nuff Said Marvel Wins,And Dont Piss the World War Hulk,Superman Would Die Again!!

  • does anyone else think marvel could beat DC? speak now or forever hold your peace, because I am getting tired of destroying your weak arguments. Let me break it down for you. If you can find a way for Marvel to beat some of these guys, (Mr Mxysptlk, Bat-Mite, Mr. Zsasz, The Moniter, The Anti-moniter, Etrigan, Dr. Fate, Amazo, Dr. Manhatten, Every Olympian god and goddess, parasite, the six versions of superman, as well as the entire green, red, white, black, yellow, and blue lantern cores, and batman, who, with prep-time, could beat almost every popular Marvel hero), than Marvel may have a shot, however, I need concrete evidence, not this “surfer would beat superman” junk. In fact, bats mght be able to beat surfer. Hey, I mean, if he’s as smart as reed richards, as devious as doctor doom, as awesome as the punisher, then he could easily find a way.

  • Luke,

    Have you forgotten about The Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Red Hulk, The Maestro, Namor, and the Gladiator? The Silver Surfer has the Power Cosmic as well as Captain Marvel (Male & Female versions). Thor would be more of a match for any DC character and let’s not forget that Wonder Woman and Hercules are related to each other due to the fact that Zeus has something to do with both of them. Hercules and Thor are an even match and anyone other than Superman and maybe Darkseid and Doomsday will just be toast. I love this debate! I want to get a movement started to get DC and Marvel to make a Hulk v. Superman movie, it would be the highest grossing movie ever. Bring it on Luke! And you Batman v. Captain America theory is totally wrong. In the DC/Marvel Crossover Classic, Batman himself said that Captain America had a slight edge over him in combat skills. Cap is a super soldier so he is stronger and has more stamina than bats. I read a book a while back where Bats and Cap fought, Cap outclassed Bats but lost because Batman cheated to win. Someone told me, and I think he is crazy, that Shazam would beat Superman and the Hulk with no problems because his powers are derived from magic; what do you think? Much love Luke, keep it going!

  • No matter what the Flash does, all the Hulk has to do is hit him with a shockwave and he’s done. Raw power goes to the Hulk alone, in any universe. Has Supes ever held up half the world? The Hulk did and he has limitless power. The only advantage DC would have against the Hulk is Betty Ross, nuff said. The Defenders by themselves would lay waste to DC. Doctor Strange, Sub-Mariner, Silver Surfer & The Incredible Hulk. Now, what if we put the Offenders in there with them, total carnage! Bring it DC’ers!

  • Silver Surfer would get overwhelmed by Bat-Mite, the Spectre, and Mr Mxysptlk. As for the hulk, yes, he might beat the flash, (might) it still would be pretty hard to hit a guy who can run around the planet in like, less than five seconds. While a shockwave could work, you have to remember, the flash has other powers. He can create static electricity, and tornadoes/funnels/hurricanes whenever he wants to, but, the one huge advantage the flash has is the fact that he can think as fast as he can run. Even if you use the speed of sound flash, it’s still cool. Think about it. The hulk would be like “I’m gonna punch da red guy!”, while flash could have the whole battle planned out in his head, and is fast enough to adapt it. Anyway, the hulk could be beaten magically. AMAZO the android who can steal anyones powers by looking at them (that sure tops rogue) could easily knock him into a black hole or something. Yes, the hulk has held up the planet before, but it takes him a while to get that strong, superman could quickly throw him to space after freezing him or something. The atom could go inside of hulk and mess him up from there, with nothing to hit, hulk would have nothing to do but shout in pain until the end. Doesn’t telepathy work on hulk? Martian Manhunter and Gorilla Grodd could take him then. Jonn Jonnz could also shapeshift into betty ross, plus, he can take quite a few hits before hulk realises it’s ross. He turns back to normal and… well, the possibilities are endless. However, I do agree on that hulk v.s. superman movie idea, it would be pretty epic, since superman would probably not try to kill hulk immidiately, giving hulk time to get angrier and stronger. Eventually, supes would realize what he had to do, but hulk would have gotten as strong as him and then… well, it could go anywhere. Anyway, Namor? Really? C’mon, what can he really do? Aquaman could beat him, he has better fighting skills a magic trident capable of destroying cities, a cool grappling hook hand, or, if you use the advanced version, a magic water hand that can mold itself into any shape and heal any wound. Namor shouldn’t even be able to fly. It just doesn’t seem right. He is underwater based. Just leave him there. Don’t try to make him seem cooler by giving him that ability. Lastly, he’s not very smart, and he wears a speedo. If you disregard everything else about him, consider that fact. I refuse to support someone (generally a male) who wears a speedo. Captain Marvelhercules. Doomsday once killed Superman. There is no way in this life that Herc stands a chance. Darkseid has a legion of parademons, awesome war stuff, a son who is as strong as supes (though admittitly, not as intelligent), he himself is as strong as supes, and he has omega vision. It is like impossible to dodge, because if it misses you, it can zigzag back to you. Then you are at his mercy,(he can either vaporize you, or teleport you millions of lightyears away, whichever he feels like) and since he is called evil incarnite, your future doesn’t look too bright. Oh yeah, Batman didn’t “cheat.” He has sweet awesome technology. America has his lame shield(yes it can block anything, but what if he loses it( throws it at someone, and they deflect it away, or dodge it and it sticks to a wall)? Then what? He’s toast. He should get some more weapons/tech, then he would be slightly more intersting. Batman is a tacticion, plain and simple. He can just hop into the atmobile, bat plane, bat sub, bat boat, or his amoured suit. OR if he didn’t want to put himself into too much danger, he could just remote-control them. I assume you are talking about the DC shazam, since I don’t know about a marvel one, and I say, No way! Hulk alone could probably take him out, he may claim to have the wisdom of solomon, but at times he seems to have the wisdom of a duck. Anyway, the maestro would get beat by solomon grundy, or magically. Lastly the as for the defenders, I already explained namor, Dr. strange is less than or equal to DC’s Dr. Fate Already explained surfer, red hulk is like hulk, explained him like twenty times, Zattanna, Raven, and etrigan wold take care or Baron whatshisname, terrax would get beaten by the moniter and te anti moniter. Tiger Shark requires no explanation. There. Your move, Marvelites!

  • oh yeah, the new dc online game coming out, do you marvel fans care? Will you guys play it, since marvels online game went into the toilet, or are you to spiteful? I won’t judge you, I’d be pretty mad if the situation is reversed, but I might try the marvel game eventually…

  • Everyone seems to forget that the main characters would not be the only fighters in this war. Even though I’d love to debate any one-on-one posed to me, for the overall Marvel has it’s most popular characters plus characters such as Eternity (a being who makes up the universe and thus, essentially controls it) and the Beyonder (who can alter reality). Who in DC can beat that? Though i do think Superman would beat Hulk in a fair fight, Marvel has created characters that make anything DC throws at them, obsolete.

  • you are an idiot, Luke.

    Can the Flash breathe in space? Hulk can, all he needs to do is to get angry enough to destroy a planet.

    The Living Tribunal and the One Above All take it.

  • alright everyone, lets simmer down here. The first thing I want to address is… okay, the hulk can breathe in space. What the heck does that have to do with anything? Breathing in space doesn’t stop someone from vibrating through you. Notice how you said, get angry enough and destroy the whole planet. What happens if he is killed before he can? Oh yeah, he’d beat everyone with his ability to breathe in space. Now… WHY DO YOU IGNORE ME!!!!! I already stated all of DC’s cosmic beings. Does no one else think that they would come into play? You seem to be convienetly ignoring them, stating simply, the living tribunal take it all. Have you even considered any of the other DC characters that aren’t well known?!? Also, consider this. If Dr. Doom could steal the surfer’s board, then what stops geniuses like Luthor, Mr. Terriffic, and of course, batman from figuring out something similar? Like a way to get Thanos’s gauntlet or something. It wouldn’t be all to hard, since the dude has an EXTREME SQUIRREL ALLERGY! He defeated eternity once, then lost because he was stupid. To finish, DC has amazo and dwadman. All Amazo has to do is look at someone, thereby gaining every atribute they have. He doesn’t have to stop at one either. He can just keep getting stronger and stronger. What if he just looked at eternity and all the other boring ultra-dudes you mentioned? You all know nothing of the DC Universe. Don’t try to keep finding ways to kill superman or flash or something, when you conviently ignore all DC’s comicly powerful guys. Thank you. Consider the ball in your court.

  • oh yeah, I mrant deadman when I said dwadman earlier. He can posses any entity and force him or her to do his bidding.

  • Luke,

    The Silver Surfer is probably the second most powerful in Marvel and would be a match for anyone in DC even Superman, so you might want to rethink that one. The Impossible Man would Keep Mr. Mxysptlk in his place so that one would be even; The Hulk would dispense of the Flash with a shockwave, no matter how fast he’s moving. Let’s not forget that Superman and the Flash had a race to see who was faster but it never got settled so, if Doomsday can hang with Supes The Flash would be no problem for him or the Hulk. The Hulk’s is just like Superman his body is impervious to almost anything, with the Hulk having one advantage, his healing factor, if he does get damaged he heals himself instantaneously. If I am correct Superman has no healing factor, advantage big Green. A far as Amazo the android is concerned Iron man would be more than a match for him because of his intellect and technological prowess. Dr. Fate and anyother magician in DC, could not hang with Dr. Strange, who is a sorcerer supreme and he would have little issue with the likes of them. Now, lets look at Superman and The Hulk’s weaknesses. Superman” Kryptonite, needs a yellow sun (so fighting anywhere else where there is no yellow sunmakes supes vulnerable) and magic. The Hulk: magic, Betty Ross and reverting back to Banner, unless he’s the all powerful Professors Hulk who has Banners smarts permanently. The only chance DC would have against the Hulk is Betty Ross. I do agree with you that Namor in a speedo is really weird but Aquaman does not have the strength to hang too long in the fight with The Sub Mariner; I don’t really understand the flying part either, oh well who know’s what they were thinking in the 40’s when they created him. Don’t sell Hercules short he is the Prince of Power and he is on par with Thor as far as strength is concerned, I do agree that eventually he would fall to Doomsday and Superman. As far as Darkseid’s Omega beams go, Batman is the only person to avoid them and Captain America is more agile that Bats, so I bet he could also. I agree with you, if Cap had some serious gadgets he would be unstoppable. Remember Batman did say he thought CAp would beat him in due time. Dc is the only one with a Shazam, Marvel has Captain Marvel who has the power of Hercules & Zeus and the speed of Mercury, so he is a formidable foe but not able to beat Supes or the Hulk. I think the guy who told me that had just sparked up and L and got blazed before he said it. I don’t think Solom,on Grundy could beat the Maestro, he is on the power level of big green you know. I bet the Defenders could lay waste to DC by themselves Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Sub Mariner & The Hulk, are you kidding me! Luke I like the banter back and forth with you because you look at things logically. I know you are a die hard DC’er and I’m a die hard Marvel man, we keep the emption out and get our points through. Keep the science coming and I will too.

  • Andre
    Like I said, Amazo could deal with surfer by looking at him and gaining his powers, using this as well as the other cosmic junk he’s got, surfer is fried. Or the spectre would defeat him. Since he has the ability to do anything he feels like, he can easily match any of Marvel’s cosmic dudes. While I the defenders would cause quite a bit of damage to DC, they certainly wouldn’t defeat them by their lonesome. Zattana Zatara can use her magic to do anything. All she has to do is say what she wants to happen backwards, and if you gag her or mess up her throat, she can just write it in blood. She also owns a really cool invisible magical castle with all sorts of magical artifacts in it. Dr Fate is at least a threat to strange (plus he has a cooler name), so if the two teamed up with raven and maybe etrigan, strange is going down. Dr. Doom has successfully separated the surfer from his board, so maybe some DC genius such as Luther or Mr. terrific could figure something out. If not, the Moniter and the anti-moniter could take him out. And, fine, maybe the hulk could take out the flash (groans). But, there are lots of others besides superman who are as strong as him. General zod, black adam, the aforementioned Captain Marvel (not Marr Vel, the other DC guy), supergirl, superboy, and power girl. The Hulk takes a while to get to the strength level to seriously injure superman or the other super people. Before that time comes, they could throw him into the sun, or a black hole, or something far away from earth. His healing factor would be hard pressed to continue healing him while the unquenchable sun burns him up. Aquaman would beat Namor for the same reasons batman beats bane and other strong villains. Namor isn’t all that intelligent. He’s pretty strong, true, but aquaman is the closest thing atlantis has to a batman. He has lots of toys(his grappaling hook hand thing, his magic trident, and his armies), and actually has some fighting skills. Namor just hits stuff with his fists and hopes. I suppose I shouldn’t write off hercules. If you look at mythology, he has done some pretty sweet things, but has proven that he can be outsmarted with minimal effort. Lastly, if anyone can defeat the entire marvel universe, it would probably be Amazo. You could start him off with nothing. It would be really cool to see him progress, gaining more and more abilities, sterting humbly with maybe spider-man, moving on to the four, waiting until he meets more and more powerful heroes and villains. He would eventually meet surfer, giving him the ability to seek out all of marvels cosmic powered guys, finally finding eternity and becoming unstoppable. I doubt anyone could stop him, then. I find these DC vs Marvel chats fun, and am glad that there are some fans on both sides who actually think logically. I see now how you were helping to get this poll started at the begenning, good job with that. I’ll keep it coming!

  • the DC vs Marvel fight wouldnt take place in neither of there territories but in a unknown planet probably were all the heros from each universe would have all their powers. this being said all heros having unlimited power would be an amzing fight.
    Superman,Amazo, and Darkseid would be an unstoppable force that would exterminate much of marvel
    plus anit monitor and monitor
    i am very certain that the red,green,yellow,blue,indigo,white,and black lantern corps
    would destroy marvel with all the other groups just because they are really really powerfull
    marvel stands no chance no matter what
    the hulk would definitly be defeated by Amazo or superman

  • oh yeah, there are also ways around lack of yellow sun, superman could fight with a thermal suit on (he has done it before) or, he could fight with people who can create yellow sun radiation, such as starfire, captain adam, and light ray.

  • Why not start at the top?
    The Presence vs. The One-Above-All. God (as in Supreme being not Pantheonic) vs. God.
    From what I understand, the One-Above-All is given credit for the creation of the ENTIRE Marvel Multiverse. The question would be, I suppose, if the same One-Of-All lorded over the reality that Galaan came from. Because it has been shown that the Phoenix Force destroyed that universe and jump-started ours, Phoenix would probably be the most powerful IF TOAA of the modern universe is distinct from the previous reality’s TOAA.
    The Presence, meanwhile, is apparently intrinsically linked to only the primary DC realty, and further, did not create it. Not only that, but I believe the Presence is hindered by an evil entity known as the Great Beast. Furthermore, there is the question of whether Yahweh is distinct from the Presence. Based on what events that entity has been attributed to, this may be the true creator of DC. Then again, I’m not even sure if Yahweh or the Great Beast are actually canonical in the mainstream DCU. Still, it seems to me that the Presence could be outclassed by TOAA or Phoenix Force.
    Although, it may be a moot point, since the Presence and TOAA seem to be unwilling or unable to directly get involved in such matters in their perspective universes, otherwise folks like Imperiex and Thanos would never even get a chance to threaten anything. One could say the same thing about Marvel’s Abstract Entities, who generally do not get too involved in the main conflicts. Back over in DC, Prarallax at least, and probably the other entities that power the various lantern corps have universe destroying powers, but tend to be limited in taking direct action. I am not sure if the Endless are at the levels as the Entities or Abstracts.
    The Monitors and the Beyonders seem to be too closely matched to call.
    I think Imperiex could trounce Galactus, but the Celestials would run roughshod over the Guardians.
    It keeps going back and forth like that, and in the end, I have a tough time calling a winner, unless we put it between Presence and TOAA, in which case Marvel gets the victory.
    If we are talking more “normal” superhero/villain types: the Spectre has the authority of the Presence. He can eliminate pretty much any mortal or pantheonic god thrown at him if that is the Presence’s wish. But I don’t think he’d have a shot at Phoenix Force. As far as mainstream types: Superman would beat Hulk. It might take a sun dip, but the game would be over eventually. A powerful god like Thor or Hercules might take Supes down, down to Clark’s vulnerability to magic. Captain Marvel (Shazam) on the other hand, might be able to take a single god on, as he is a gestalt of many key gods. Silver Surfer, though, would likely take down CM and Supes, unless they hit him together.
    When it comes to mid and low level characters: DC has more of them, and the average power level is higher. DC.
    But throwing the entire universes against each other, I hate to say it, but Marvel wins.

  • while superman would need some help with some of the cosmic guys, he could effectivly beat the avengers, the x-men minus xavier, the fantastic four minus sue, spiderman, daredevil, ironman, and ghost rider all by himself. Because all the popular marvel heroes sulk.

  • Okay, DC’ers, I’ve been doing my research and I just found out some information that would thwart your DC heroes/villians who use mind control, The Hulk has the power to resist mind control, just look at this site:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_(comics) and look at his less commonly described powers, so now since that is taken off the board, you need to find something else to make your argument. His regenerative and adaptive powers put him in a seriously new league versus some of your DC powerhouses. If Superman can beat Darkseid and Doomsday, what do you think a person who can heal instantaneously, adapt to his foe, and get stronger as he gets madder will do to those guys? You have to go deeper than just your gut feelings on this one gentleman. I still stand by my take that Superman will not beat the Hulk. Everytime he has been beaten by Superman it has been a DC penciler who claims the victory, not someone who is a neutral party. All the DC/Marvel crossover comics have been headed by DC, not Marvel. Do you really think Marvel would have The Hulk losing to Superman? I think not, just like DC will not yeild and say that the Hulk is stronger. Now, I’m waiting for those of you who can drum up some research to keep this going minus the emotion —Bring it!

  • I agree with you Luke, Superman would beat those teams easily, but I think you need to rethink him beating the Avengers, in the DC/Marvel crossover Superman had to go into overtime to temporarily beat Thor and Supes even said he’s the toughest guy I’ve ever faced (Thor was pre-Hulk of course). If you read the comic Superman could not lift Thor’s hammer when Thor did not give him permission; The Hulk is the only Hero to lift Thor’s Mjolnir without Thor’s consent, food for thought. The psychics are a totally different level and I would love to see the DC/Marvel psychics go at it.

  • The simple fact is, DC characters would terrorize Marvel characters. And this is in fact the main problem I have with DC comics in the first place, and the entire reason that I have ALWAYS preferred Marvel.

    It seems like almost every DC character is just so ridiculously overpowered that it just makes their comics rather boring and hard to relate to. The main thing that I enjoy about Marvel is the fact that even their most popular characters have severe faults that make them more human. Between iron man’s struggles with alcohol and the X-men members’ constant battles against prejudice and hatred, it just has always been the more intriguing and relate-able comic company to me.

    DC has gotten better recently in humanizing their characters, but it was too little-too late for me. Other than Batman, I have just never been into any DC hero at all. And coincidentally, Batman has been the one main DC title that has a hero that is not powered to the hilt.

  • Superman would beat hulk because it would take time for the hulk to get angry enough to getto superman’s strength level. Superman is immideiatly stronger than hulk. That way, superman could use his cold breath to slow him down, then bring him to space and throw him away from earth. Also, even if we started out hulk stronger than normal, he would still lose due to several factors: 1. He can’t fly. This one is a very basic but important weakness. Superman could fly all the way to space and still be able to nail hulk with his heat vision. It might be cheep, but what could the hulk do about it? I don’t think he can jump to space, or if he can, he could be easily dodged by superman, who has superspeed, albiet slower than the flash’s. 2. The hulk is stupid. Since you didn’t say proffesor hulk, red hulk, or gray hulk, I assume you meant the regular “Hulk Smash!” hulk. Superman may not be genius, but at least he doesn’t have an uncontrollable rage to just “smash” spmething all the time. Superman could have a plan to beat the hulk, when hulk, let’s be honest, would just try to hit superman and hope for the best. Lastly, what’s to stop superman from creating a tornado from stealing hulk’s air supply, or just flying through his body multiple times and then quickly finishing hulk before he can properly heal?

  • The fact that none of you are taking into consideration, is most of the characters you are talking about, require oxygen to live. Only a handful of superhero’s after that point, would continue the fight. You are ignoring people like Anti-Monitor, Spectre, Dr. Manhattan, so many characters, that would utterly demolish most of the characters you guys are ranting about.

    Here’s the scenario, the fight ensues, one of the big wigs destroy’s the planet they are fighting on. There goes 9/10th’s of the superhero’s. Who is left?

    Spectre, Dr. Manhattan, Anti-Monitor, Superman, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Green Lantern Squad (Along with the variable other colors), and a small handful of other characters.

    In the end, there would be more DC characters then Marvel characters. And remember, DC has 52 earth’s, which in turn = 52 versions of Superman, and the Super-Style family including Power Girl, Supergirls, etc, along with villains that posses his powers.

    I honestly don’t think Marvel can handle someone such as Anti-Monitor, or Dr Manhattan. Each one, have the ability to make people vanish. Anti-Monitor, can simply just consume the energy around him, into himself. Dr Manhattan can break down people at a molecular level..

    So…yeah…

  • i am certain 100 percent that DC would win they are way more powerful and interesting
    there is also one being that people are forgeting
    COMPOSITE SUPERMAN he has all supermans powers and all legion powers
    he would definetly wipe out all of marvel with batmite superman and all his family all latern corps and more
    marvel would run away
    probably start fighting eachother

  • You DC fanboys are idiots. Marvel has characters on a cosmic scale that would wipeout Superman and the likes without breaking a sweat. Pre-retcon Beyonder ALONE would destroy the entire DC universe, his power is ultimate. Then you have beings like The Living Tribunal, Eternity & Infinity, Lord Chaos & Master Order, Galactus (fully powered), Death, the Stranger, Love & Hate, Kronos, the In-Betweener, the Phoenix force, Abraxas, etc etc. Marvel doesn’t even need characters on par with Superman & co since their cosmic pantheon is so much stronger. Even if you do want to go there, Marvel still has so much more firepower it’s not even funny. Do some research on te Marvel universe because frankly luke you’re making a fool out of yourself.

  • The arrogance of the Hulk marks never ceases to amaze me; it is no wonder that there are known as the worst comic fans in history;

    First, it amazes me that Hulk fans assume there is no upper level to the strength of the Hulk–but assume there is one to Superman’s which is less than his; Second, they assume that Superman cannot bring his multiple powers to bear on the Hulk more than one at a time-his heat vision, super cold breath, superspeed and strength–Supes only has to land one mega punch on Green Skins–by the Hulk-sized idiots, guess you forgot the DC universe contains Dr. Fate, the Spectre, Mon-El, Supergirl, and Ultra-Boy.

    DC Smash!

  • …not to mention the Celestials, Mephisto, Nemesis, Protege, pre-retcon Molecule Man, Thanos with the Heart of the Universe, Oblivion, Sise-neg (Genesis), Abysss, the Infinites, Hunger, Shuma-Gorath, etc etc.

    I know that some of the names are listed are not as powerful as, for example, DC beings such as the Presence and the Over-Monitor, but I was just pointing out how it’s stupid to say DC would beat Marvel based on ridiculously low tier characters.

    The highest beings in the DC universe are:

    – Tier 1 – [ 1st Class Beyond ]:
    The Over-Monitor/ Over-Mind/ Overvoid
    The Presence ( Yahweh / Elaine Belloc)

    – Tier 2 – [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:
    Meshta
    The Great Evil Beast
    Rama Kushna
    The Source
    Synnar
    Ultimate Darkness
    Ultimate Light

    In comparison, Marvel has:

    Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
    The One-Above-All
    Pre-Retcon Beyonder
    Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
    Protege
    Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
    Living Tribunal

    Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond

    Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
    Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
    Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet

    Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
    Eternity
    Infinity
    Death
    Oblivion
    The Phoenix Force
    The Alien Entity
    Infiniti IG Nemesis
    Genesis ( Sise-Neg)

    The Infinites should also be 1st class beyond. Clearly Marvel has the edge.

  • i think marvel would win because ice man can freeze super man hopefully superman wont use the lazer and hulk can crush the ice. haha didnt think of that huh?

  • really marvel all lantern corps with anti monitor and monitor and all super men would destroy all marvel

  • Iceman will freeze superman. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounded? I like how you said hopefully he won’t use his heat vision and hulk could break the ice. Listen kid, there are exactly three things that have the ability to cause superman pain and be a significant threat to him. Kryptonite, magic, and Doomsday (who by the way, would curbstomp hulk). If ice was one of his weaknesses, Luthor would have tried to exploit it. I guess you could say I hadn’t thought of it because I have an IQ higher than 2.

  • Oh, yeah, do some reaserch yourself. If you would have, maybe you would have heard of ALL of DC’s best, not just a few. It’s funny, you listed so many Marvel guys, but you didn’t mention Bat-Mite, Mr. Mxysptlk, The Spectre, Zattana, Dr. Manhatten, The Moniter, The Anti-Moniter, the Green Lantern Core (as well as all of the other colors), every Greek god and goddess, and lastly, AMAZO. I’ll only explain AMAZO, you can reaserch the rest yourself. AMAZO can gain anyone’s attributes, powers, or weapons, simply by looking at them. Invisibility won’t help. It would be funny what all those cosmic dudes you just mentioned would do, if he simply looked at all of them, as well as everyone on the DC side. You tell me to do my reaserch? You know nothing about DC. Your knowledge of them is pathetic and pitifully small.

  • Ok luke you’re actually proving yourself to be an actually bigger idiot than I initially thought. What did I JUST tell you? I listed the highest characters in both characters because there is no point in listing lower level characters since they would get stomped by the highest level ones. I listed all characters at 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale OR ABOVE from BOTH universes. It turns out Marvel has more and would therefore beat DC. It also happens Marvel has characters at 2nd Class Beyond level, while DC does not, and has more characters at 1st Class Beyond than DC.
    All of the characters you just listed are below those levels, and I did not list any Marvel character below those levels either.

    Bat-Mite, Mr. Mxysptlk are “- Tier 8 – [ “Minor Omnipotent” Level]” characters. The Spectre (high powered) is “- Tier 7 – [ High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstract ]”. The skyfather pantheons are “- Tier 12 – [ Skyfather level Upper Class Team Wrecker ]”. The Anti-Monitor (full form, not retconned) is “- Tier 4 – [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ]”. Green Lantern Corps members are Tier 14. Zatanna and Dr. Manhattan are so far below it’s not even funny.

    Lastly, about Amazo. His powers allow him to duplicate the powers of metahumans and objects. 1st Class Beyond characters are neither metahumans nor objects. You could arguably say Amazo could duplicate the Infinity Gauntlet from Marvel, thus putting him at a Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond level. That’s still only one character from DC at that level. The same applies even if Amazo was able to copy the powers of a Tier 1 character: Marvel still has more.

    Are you going to stop posting now or do I have to keep schooling you on this?

  • Typos in the previous post:

    * “I listed the highest characters in both universes”
    * add “level” after a few of the categories

  • Ah, but you haven’t explained these guys away yet. In fact, you haven’t even mentioned them.

    Elemental Firestorm
    Takion
    Cosmic Extant
    Original Parallax and Ion
    Kismet
    Dominus
    The Guardians
    The Zamarons
    The Controllers
    The Monitors
    The Anti-Monitor
    Mandrak (aka Anti-Monitor Jr.)
    Eclipso
    Spectre
    Arena Monarch
    Imperiex
    The Writer (Grant Morrison)

  • I forgot the endless. By the way, I wouldn’t be so quick to write Thanos’s name anywhere up there, especially considering that squirrel girl beat him… with squirrels.

  • How long exactly are you going to keep listing characters that are, like I said, below the highest levels? I gave you a precise list of the Marvel and DC characters that are at those levels, why are you trying to bring up other names? I am not mentioning lower-level Marvel characters either. Regarding what you said about Thanos, I specifically mentioned Thanos with the heart of the universe and Thanos with the IG, Thanos by himself is of course not on the list (and btw Squirrel girl beating him is pure PIS, but that’s irrelevant since Thanos by himself doesn’t make the list. Squirrel girl didn’t beat Thanos with IG or Thanos with the HotU).

    I know all of the characters you just mentioned and I did not list them since like I said they are on lower levels. I will analyze them one by one here to prove it to you.

    Firestorm (elemental) and Takion are – Tier 13 – [ Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics ].
    Kismet, Parallax and Ion are – Tier 5 – [ 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ].
    Dominus is much lower, he’s primarily an opponent of Superman.
    The Guardians of the Universe, the Controllers and the Zamarons are – Tier 12 – [ Skyfather level Upper Class Team Wrecker ].
    Cosmic extant isn’t listed in the highest levels I mentioned earlier either, and surely you realize he’s not at the level of the Great Evil Beast etc…
    I mentioned the Over-Monitor as being Tier 1. The Anti-Monitor and Mandrakk are – Tier 4 – [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ] (I already replied this to you regarding the Anti-Monitor). For the record, Retcon Anti-Monitor (Sinestro Corps War) is – Tier 9 – [ Metaphysical Semi-Abstract level ].
    Eclipso (fully powered) is – Tier 6 – [ 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ].
    Spectre (fully powered) is – Tier 5 – [ 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ].
    Arena Monarch was somewhat around Superman Prime’s level. Superman Prime (with the Monitor/Cosmic Armor) is – Tier 4 – [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ].
    Imperiex is – Tier 9 – [ Metaphysical Semi-Abstract level ].
    Where exactly does The Writer (Grant Morrison) appear in a comic with his actual powers explained? In Marvel, The One-Above-All is for example actually depicted ‘in Sensational Spider-Man vol. 2, #40).
    Death (of The Endless) is – Tier 4 – [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ].

    There. I went through your entire list and like you can see, none of them is at the highest levels I mentioned earlier. Don’t even bother listing other names because I would have mentioned them if there had been other characters at the levels we’re talking about, but it is simply not the case. Adam Warlock with the IG is however also at 2nd Class Beyond (he voluntarily gave up the IG shortly after gaining it).

    Don’t be a sore loser and acknowledge Marvel wins this… I proved it by listing the power rankings and the characters Marvel and DC had at the highest levels.

  • Well, maybe if AMAZO replicated the heart of the universe, the IG, surfers board, as well as the armour weapons and powers (if possible) used by the various beings from either side… Maybe DC would have some sort of chance. Also, could time-travel help stop some of these guys? It might not work too well on the guys who have lived since the universe started, but what if they traveled back or forward to a time where marvel’s cosmic beings are at their weakest and take them out then? Forgive me, I’m just trying to exhaust all avenues.

  • So no one’s accounting the REAL fight between the god, celestial entities, The Presence, The Great Darkness, Lucifer Moningstar, The Spectre, All of the Endless of the DC Universe, vs The One (or the heart of Marvel’s universe), The Living Tribunal, Multi-Eternity, Multi-Infinity, Multi-Death, The Alien Entity of the marvel universe. Since they control every aspect of life.

  • If its Marvel vs DC, including everyone created, it HAS to be the GODS vs the opposing GODS because even the Hulk cannot defeat Living Tribunal, same as Superman who cannot defeat Death of the Endless.

  • I think story-wise people love DC universe stories because of Neil Gaimen’s The Sandman, Batman stories, Joker stories, etc, has gone abit more abstract and very intuitive with its fairytales and gritty continiuoty. Incidentally… Marvel comics have MANY names because of Stan Lee’s innovation of placing real-world issues or angsty heros/villians. My point is that the DC universe has provided allot more storywise later on with many collaborations like Justice Leagues and combining super-hero teams to make it a it’s own universe. I tend to see Marvel repeating some of the same lapses of logic yet provides an entertaining story nontheless but never truly touching the realms of gods quite like DC/Vertigo had AKA The Sandman, Lucifer, etc. Abit unfair with the likes of Neil Gaimen working his craft into his comic series run creating a metaphysical and existentially philosophical element to concepts that Marvel has not truly touched on.

    If your still reading this, my entire point is that sometimes DC fans would favor the latter in these elements of storytelling rather then pulling each detail apart from each realm containing a more factual standard or power-rating for these omnipotent entities. It’s a whole story vs character functionality from here on out which belongs on a elseware debate entirely.

  • I responded much more thoroughly but apparetly this forum doesn’t allow for it to be shown. DC wins storywise, letme first say and therefore, quality does not equal quantity which is why DC fanboys prefer their own universe without analyzing all the hiearchies first. In actuality, for commentors like Paul, their were proven forces greater then that of The Presence in DC Universe released in Lucifer: Eversong which gives DC ultimately an unknown higher then all highs, As for the storywriting between these two, with DC/Vertigo’s The Sandman, Alan Moore’s work on the Joker in Batman The Killing Joke, numerous amounts of Justice Leagues, side-stories interluding Gods with mortals and heros and a big percentage (let alone the fanbase) for Batman comics are staggeringly more interesting. The reason why here is because the stories though not as grim, gritty, and reflective as Marvel’s comic-book world would have you to believe, DC pushed the envelope even further with Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman (well it pushed DC’s world seeing how The Sandman only dealt with The Endless, Gods and mythos while leaving little room for heros except for short cameos) into a more thoughtful and sometimes a better psychological study with its stories then the same lapse of depression, space-exploration, adversity, and pop-culture Marvel continiously brings to the table. Its not a bad thing that Marvel brings these relevant points, but its just that DC does better with what it has going for it due to more limitations in its immersion for readers. Also with Marvel you sort of recognized familiar styles all too easily. So yes Marvel wins for now, but I think its something to think about when understanding why DC has less cosmic entities around.

  • What if Amazo replicated surfer’s board, the heart of the universe, and the infinity gauntlet, as well as all the armour, weapons, and (if possible) powers from every character from either side? Wouldn’t that at least give DC a small chance? I mean, when thanos had the heart of the universe, he ruled everything. Coupled with everthing else, Amazo could cause quite a bit of damage. Also, what about time travel? I’mnot saying thiswould work for everyone, ut what if the most powerful DC characters were able to travel to the past and future where the Marvel heavy-hitters are at their weakest and take them out then? they could take out many of the characters, like galactus in his weakened state, and surfer when he loses his board.

  • i think it would have to go to the marvel universe just because they would think of a way to win in this case all of us against superman how could anyone hold out against hulk cap. and spiderman……not even the man of steel i say even though the dc characters are unbeatable other heroes could be the answer…..the only weakness…

  • luke, time travel is not an option. The technology is indeed mastered by several characters in Marvel, and it is useless against the beings I mentioned since they are able to protect themselves and the source of their power in the past. This is indeed directly addressed in “Marvel: The End”, where Akhenaten comes back to Earth to rule it with a fraction of the power of the HotU. Dr Doom attempts to best him by travelling to the past and killing Akhenaten before he got abducted by the aliens who gave him his power, but before he can do anything he is stopped by the future Akhenaten who indeed has the power to make sure nothing disrupts the past concerning himself or the source of his power. And this is done with a fraction of the power of the HotU.

    Although it is not directly relevant to our discussion since the Silver Surfer is way below the power levels I’m talking about, I’d like to point out that the Surfer only gets his power from his board in the movie, not in the comics. In the comics, the board merely responds to his mental commands and the Surfer’s power in no way stems from it. The board has even been destroyed on a few occasions and the Surfer simply re-made it.

    The HotU is not an object but an energy so I do not thing Amazo could replicate it, but like I addressed earlier he could indeed replicate the IG, in which case he would rightfully be a Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond character. Since the power of the IG encompasses the powers of all the objects below it, it is however irrelevant whether or not Amazo could also replicate them, since it wouldn’t add anything to his power. So it’s like I already acknowledged, you can add one more DC character up there (Amazo after replicating the IG), at Tier 2, but even if he was Tier 1 Marvel would still have considerably more characters at those levels.

    ladisk: Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos are characters below the levels I mentioned, and even with adding another Tier 1 character to the DC pantheon, Marvel still has more anyway. The rest of your post is a subjective analysis of both universes that I do not share, but it is irrelevant to the present debate anyway (you’re of course entitled to your opinion, but I’d rather avoid going off-topic otherwise this will be an endless discussion 😉 ).

  • ladisk: Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos are characters below the levels I mentioned, and even with adding another Tier 1 character to the DC pantheon, Marvel still has more anyway. The rest of your post is a subjective analysis of both universes that I do not share, but it is irrelevant to the present debate anyway (you’re of course entitled to your opinion, but I’d rather avoid going off-topic otherwise this will be an endless discussion ).

    As I’ve already stated, it was an explanation as to why DC fans would favor the DC comics more. Its not a subjective analysis because DC/Vertigo has pushed the boundaries abit further after the Marvel universe was left with the remakes of alien, pride-prejuduice, routines. This completely serves to adhere to opinionated stances, thusly is a relevant analysis. Also, Lucifer Morningstar was designed for also prideful intelligence and master of trickery. The only reason why these beings do not LOOK as powerful as they do is because ALL beings in the DC universe fit in The Presence’s plan. Lucifer is much more cunning then that of Thanos in my opinion in the ending of his run mainly because of the progressively more intelligent gods and angels fought whereas Marvel’s celestials always had this theme of power more then unrivaled intelligence (hence why the endless never have to truly fight in conventional manners at all.) But this is a tangent, because BTW, you did notice the only reason I mentioned Lucifer’s comics was not to state the main anti-hero himself, but the celestial beings behind that of the Presence himself, ergo creating an unknown factor to DC’s universe that has never truly been explored.

  • Paul, bravo, it seems as you might have to keep proving your point over and over again. Anyone who knows the comics knows the surfers board is not his power source, it is an extension of him, the movie depicted it wrong. The Surfer has the power Cosmic but he is way down on the “ultimate power level. In the DC Marvel crossover mag, Silver Surfer beat Green Lantern quite easily and Storm, of all people from the X-Men beat Wonder Woman quite easily. I did not like how the Hulk vs Superman turned out; having battles of that magnitude culminate in 3 pages or less does not make any sense, but oh well. I must add again, if Superman can get killed by “Doomsday” what do you think The Hulk will do to him. The speed issue, is not an issue because if it was Supes would have used it and defeated Doomsday quite easily (Doomsday can’t fly either), Doomsday ended up killing Supes and he was brought back by the writers. And I can’t believe someone said Doomsday would beat the Hulk, in what universe, the Hulk would wipe the floor with him in any situation. As far as Supermans heat vision goes in the DC/Marvel crossover, he hit the Hulk with the full power of his heat vision and I might add, there was not a scratch on the Hulk, so another weapon taken away. Let m say until we get Dc and Marvel to dedicate a series in their books to this epic battle, none of us will conceed on who would win. So, lets keep it going and see how many more DC’ers think that Superman would be the Strongest their is!

  • “As far as Supermans heat vision goes in the DC/Marvel crossover, he hit the Hulk with the full power of his heat vision and I might add, there was not a scratch on the Hulk,”

    From my understanding of comic lineage, heros, villians or anyone with a special talent has taken special limit forms of their powers as it is shown throughout the comic’s run. Whether its Spawn transforming into the king of hell from a general of hell from a fresh demon spawn or Alucard from Hellsing (manga)(and yes I know it’s not entirely coherent to the whole American comic debate but serves to prove the existence of power levels are very apparent in the comic book industry, foreign or from the States), a select group of heros from each comic book industry arrives with his own turmoil plot affect corresponding from this theme, whether it be Jean Grey’s earlier attempts to halt the Phoenix out of fear that is a readily available power source in contrast to Wolverine’s artificial mutant abilities added to his organic ones in the current version of him because he cannot demorph these new powers at anytime, or on and off abilities too uncontrollable like perhaps Beast through his current forms. Understand that Superman’s restriction is much more different then the Hulk’s restriction on these planes of power levels. The Hulk recepitates blows with anger causing the metabolism inside of him to advance quickly until its about or above the strength needed to defeat his opponent (for example: Thor vs The Hulk in the Animated Avengers movie where Hulk eventually lifts Thor’s hammer out of rage) while Superman is already at his highest peak of power, always managing its influence in battle. Mentality combined with psychological elements on their inhabilities are what should be embraced when confronting the versus issue, also information due to preperation. I don’t even think this pairing can realistically be done in fair terms because of Superman’s moral compass always limiting his power while the Hulk usually has no restraints if its only fighting.

  • ladisk,

    I see your point and it is a valid one; I must say if Superman is always at his maximum strength, how could he possibly beat the Hulk if he the Hulk is hella strong and he gets stronger because of his anger and rage? Even at his incredible level, Superman could not beat the Hulk simply because once the Hulk is hit with one of Supes haymakers he will just get angrier and angrier, then it’s lights out. Don’t forget the Hulk does not kill either, only when it is absolutely necessary just like Superman. And, I might add If Superman fought the Professor Hulk, all bets will just be off; as a physicist Dr. Banner would be superior in intellect and strength, would you not agree? Thanks for the feedback and looking at this objectively!

  • What if superman ended the fight quickly? Also, something to consider, if Superman puled a BFR with hulk, it seemed to me like he would have it in the bag. Even though hulk wouldn’t die, he would probably get bored floating around in space, in other words, he would calm down, leaving banner in something of a precarious position, since he cannot control when he turns into hulk. Also, I think they tried this before in another DC vs Marvel fight, and supes won. Not that I really value those fights, since they had Lobo getting beat by Wolverine, which, in my opinion, is ridiculously impossible. I’m also sort of shaky on the whole storm beating Wonderwoman thing. I mean, it’s possible, but WW is strong enough to go toe to toe with supes. Your thoughts? Also, I am curious to know who would win between Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) and the invisible woman.

  • luke since you’ve stopped replying to me I take it that you’ve acknowledged that Marvel would indeed win vs DC based on the power levels of the highest characters of both universes. Cheers!

  • I don’t think Superman could end the fight quickly simply because of the Hulks strength level, so it would take a while and the Hulk would get stronger and he would begin to negate Supermans advantage if he had one to begin with. Remember also that the Hulk has lungs big enough to breathe in space and underwater; so I think as the Hulk is floating in space he is getting angrier and he would not transform back into Banner. Also, if Banner was the Prof HuLK the transformation is no longer valid because he is the Hulk all the time. As far as Storm beating Wonder Women, it is difficult to beat someone who controls the elements no matter who you are. In the DC/Marvelcrossover they had Wonder Woman beating Hercules, I don’t care where you are WW is not beating Hercules, no matter who writes it. Herc is legendary and it aint happening, you agree? The Invisible Woman would have no chance against GL, she struggle with the weakest villians, so I conceed on this one, Sue Storm would have no chance to beat GL. It would take someone like The Silver Surfer, Nova, Captain Marvel (male or female), or anyone else in marvel who has ionic or cosmic powers to beat GL. SS beat GL quite easily in the crossover mag, it was no contest. I actually agreed with that battle’s outcome. Who would you say is DC’s second most powerful and who is Marvel’s? I say DC’s is Shazam, and Marvel’s is Thor/Hercules or The Silver Surfer/Gladiator?

  • To PA: some of DC’s top characters are better than marvel’s. Remember, they are the best in their universe. You haven’t seen just how strong the over-monitor is compared to the one-above-all. Also, if enough of DC’s lower classes fought one of marvel’s best, they would prevail through pure numbers.

    To Andre: Why isn’t Wonder Woman as good as Hercules? I get that Herc is strong, but Diana is strong, can fly, and has access to lot’s of magical toys, for instance, you probably already know about her lasso of truth and her unbreakable wrist bands, she also has a (slightly useless) invisible jet. Finally, she was also given armour forged by hephaestus that is unbreakable, a similar shield, and a sword that can carve the electrons from an atom. She never uses the armour, shield, and sword unless it’s important. Like REALLY important. Like, “Darkseid is about to kill superman” desperate. She was also trained in in h2h combat, as well as in the use of other weapons, and has the battle tactician skills of athena (goddess of wisdom). Now, I’m not trying to pick on Hercules, but he is not as smart as wonder woman. He generally doesn’t need to be, because he’s so freaking strong. If Diana got that golden lasso around him, Herc would be astonished that there was something binding him he couldn’t easily snap. Wonder Woman just has too many advantages. Yeah Shazam is good, but in my opinion, batman is the most dangerous person in the DC universe. That guy is one of the world’s greatest heroes, and he has no powers. But he can beat ANYONE. He carries enough stuff in his belt to stop many heroes, he even carries around kryptonite “just in case.” He is one of my faves. However, strengnthwise, Shazam, Black Adam, Power Girl, or Super Girl probably take it. Btw, have you heard of Lobo? DC bounty hunter. He is so awesome, he could literally defeat the X-men without any help from anyone. His healing factor totally outclasses wolverine’s, he has shown the ability to grow a clone of himself from a single drop of blood, and has grown back a new body when he was only a severed head. He has supe’s strength level, and in a what-if issue, kills every hero in or least the justice league. The Silver Surfer is without a doubt the most powerful out of those people you said. There aren’t many who can cause much trouble for surfer. IMO, he is really cheap. I mean, the guy can do anything. Where is the appeal? Unless he’s fighting like, fully powered galactus, then the fight is over before it has begun. You’re just waiting to see how long the poor shmuck he is fighting will last before he wastes him. Well, unless it’s Chuck Norris. Then the fight is REALLY over. With a single roundhouse kick, Surfer’s off his board, and lying unconcious (if he’s lucky) on the ground. 🙂 But seriously, you have to admit that the Surfer is way more overpowered than superman.

  • luke, you might as well stop being a sore loser and admit Marvel wins it. I have demonstrated to you that Marvel clearly has more characters than DC at the highest levels. I patiently went through your entire list of characters and explained to you why they were at lower levels, and I also showed you why the scenarios you were imagining would not work (time travel…). At this point frankly you should stop looking for excuses and admit you’re wrong, right now you’re acting like an ostrich burying its head in the sand. Marvel definitely beats DC and I have repetitively shown why.

    “some of DC’s top characters are better than marvel’s”: thanks for the completely biased, groundless and invalid assertion. If you’re going to stop relying on facts then you might as well stop posting altogether.
    “Remember, they are the best in their universe”: I know that, that’s why I listed them. I did the same with the highest characters in the Marvel universe. The final result is that Marvel has more.
    “You haven’t seen just how strong the over-monitor is compared to the one-above-all”: no kidding? The characters I listed have never fought against each other, that’s why the comparison has to be made based on the power levels, and MARVEL HAS MORE CHARACTERS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS. Can you try processing this piece of information?
    “Also, if enough of DC’s lower classes fought one of marvel’s best, they would prevail through pure numbers”: it blows my mind that you’re trying to argue this point without realizing that if it was the case the same would be true for lower Marvel characters also prevailing through pure numbers. It is however invalid since the issue is specifically addressed in the “Infinity Gauntlet” and “Marvel: The End” series (between others), where it’s shown that lower level characters can do absolutely nothing in terms of power against the characters at the highest levels.

    Please, stop being dishonest and give up already. You can keep debating fights between lower-level characters if you want, but I have exhaustively addressed the overall Marvel vs DC fight based on factual data about the respective top power levels and Marvel wins it, end of story.

  • Paul, I wasn’t trying to be juveile in my last comment about numbers. It is actually true. DC has about 52 different versions of earth, along with hundreds of pocket dimensions and stuff. Surfer might be able to beat one Doctor Manhatten, but against ten? Unlikely. Even the most powerful Marvel being could be overwhelmed if there were enough people fighting him.

  • DC beats Marvel. Hulk is no threat to Superman. Hulk can’t harm Superman in any way.

  • It seems as though Lord Dagoth is a novice at comic book super powers, especially if he says the Hulk is no threat to Superman, really?

  • I wrote a reply a week ago and was waiting for it to appear but apparently it never got validated by the admins, maybe it was too long or something. luke, let me address what you said in your last posts.

    “some of DC’s top characters are better than marvel’s.”
    This is pure opinion. If you’re even going to try to argue, use facts like I did.

    “Remember, they are the best in their universe.”
    I know they are, that’s why I mentioned them. I also mentioned the best in the Marvel universe. It turns out Marvel has more.

    “You haven’t seen just how strong the over-monitor is compared to the one-above-all.”
    Neither have you, that’s why you have to look at the power levels. Again, Marvel has more characters at the highest power levels than DC.

    “Also, if enough of DC’s lower classes fought one of marvel’s best, they would prevail through pure numbers.”
    No they wouldn’t, this has been specifically addressed in The Infinity Gautnlet, The Infinity War, and in the Marvel: The End series. Lower level characters grouped together have no chance of taking on the likes of the ones I’m talking about. It’s also funny how you even fail to realize that if it was the case, the same thing would apply to DC’s best, since there are less of them than for Marvel.

    “Paul, I wasn’t trying to be juveile in my last comment about numbers. It is actually true. DC has about 52 different versions of earth, along with hundreds of pocket dimensions and stuff.”
    Nice try, except that Marvel has WAY more than 52. Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29. I stopped counting at 200.

    Once again, go back to the lists I posted, Marvel clearly has more characters at the top than DC. There is absolutely no way you can argue against this, so be fair play and admit you’re wrong already. Again, you can keep discussing lower-level characters all you want, but overall Marvel takes it like I showed.

    To the guy that said I got schooled, you might want to learn how to read 😉

  • All I can say to, Paul Atreides, is well done! Still the DC homers are going to argue their feable point without looking at the facts.

  • How much stronger do you think Superman is than the Hult to begin with? I keep hearing you guys say it would take the Hulk a while to get strong enough to beat Superman. If you have forgotten the Hulk is already as strong or stronger then Superman, so what do you base this nonsense on? If Marvel has people at the top stronger than DC’s most powerful, you have to remember that the Hulk is the strongest one there is in Marvel!

  • Sure paul, Marvel has more versions of earth, but dc has way more planets in general, more than 200, not including all of the earth planets, not to mention a large part that remains unexplored. Andre, superman starts off stronger than the hulk. You know he does. When he first changes into hulk, captain america could actually hurt him and survive getting hit back, something that would be impossible if he were fighting superman, especially if supes wasn’t holding back. Superman is stronger than the hulk at first. Also, I believe that the prescence and the over monitor would stalmate, since they are the only ones who can actually hurt the other.

  • luke, I would appreciate it if for ONCE you could do a LITTLE bit of research before posting. All you had to do was read the title above the list in the link I gave you to see that it says “alternate universes”, not “alternate earths”. That’s it. That’s all you had to do and you couldn’t even do it. Each universe is referred to with the name of the corresponding earth, but they’re still different _universes_, not different planets. I never said anything about Marvel having around 200 planets.

    You brought up the “number of versions of Earth” argument, to state that this would mean more versions of the heroes and therefore a bigger fighting force for DC. I provided you with a link proving that Marvel has WAY MORE different UNIVERSES, thus proving that your point is wrong since Marvel would still have the upper hand regarding numbers. And before that I had stated (with proof) that numbers would be irrelevant against the types of beings that I was mentioning, thus making this argument irrelevant anyway. You didn’t even address this. Do you even read the posts you’re replying to?

    I have yet to see a single argument from you that would challenge what I posted regarding the beings at the highest levels in both multiverses. I compared the two lists. Marvel has more. There is no way you can dispute this. I showed how your “alternate versions” argument was wrong, and that even if it had been valid Marvel would still have the upper hand. Stop kidding yourself already and look at the facts. Marvel wins based on the highest beings of the two multiverses.

  • DC would kick marvels ass all day. The strongest person the marvel has is hulk and superman would destroy him. Sure hulk gets stronger but he is also to slow. superman could go on fighting the hulk forever because all he needs is the sun. if ironman and batman fight batman would win just because of the fact that ironman NEEDS his suit batman doesnt. hulk got nothin on superman and if superman needs a few secons to rest supergirl could fight.marvel doesnt have anybodi stronger then the hulk. dc does everybodi is stronger than the hulk. if superman doesnt do the job there are way more people that could take him out

  • The way I see it, it doesn’t matter how many people there are, since when the-one-above-all and the over-moniter cancel each other out, both universes will instantly cease to exist. By the way, I didn’t say that you said there were 200 versions of earth, I just was supplying more numbers of DC people for the sake of argument. You really don’t have to condescend to the level of petty insults to seemingly anchor your argument.

  • “The way I see it, it doesn’t matter how many people there are”
    It’s funny because a couple of posts ago you were saying the exact opposite. Let me quote you: “Also, if enough of DC’s lower classes fought one of marvel’s best, they would prevail through pure numbers”. I then proceeded to completely shoot down your numbers argument (on two different levels). Nice to see you’ve now abandoned it.

    “By the way, I didn’t say that you said there were 200 versions of earth”
    I said that I hadn’t written that Marvel had 200 planets, which is pretty much what you implied when you wrote “dc has way more planets in general, more than 200”. If that’s not what you meant then your sentence makes no sense since that “200 planets” number is completely irrelevant.

    “I just was supplying more numbers of DC people for the sake of argument.”
    Yes, and you were wrong both on DC having bigger numbers AND on numbers being relevant in this discussion.

    “since when the-one-above-all and the over-moniter cancel each other out, both universes will instantly cease to exist.”
    Pure speculation, again. How is this factual in any way? At this point I’d like to underline the fact that luke has now apparently given up on DC winning after I destroyed his arguments one by one, and he is now hoping for a draw. Guess what luke, a draw would only happen if DC had the SAME number of beings at the highest levels as Marvel. IT IS NOT THE CASE. Marvel has more beings at the highest levels, therefore there is no draw and Marvel wins.

    “You really don’t have to condescend to the level of petty insults to seemingly anchor your argument.”
    My argument is rock solid and is based on factual information while you’ve been going back and forth giving me all kind of ridiculous reasons to avoid defeat, reasons that I’ve debunked one by one. Stop lying to yourself and to everyone here and admit Marvel wins.

  • damn i just wanted to know who’ll win. i’m neutral and i read all this cause it was funny (i’m twisted) and review some of your character sh*t i’ll go with marvel.

    it’s not like i’m die hard i spend my time drinking 4lokos smoking black&milds and weed with friends. in one conversation the jaggernaut would kill superman and everyone that is in his way and i tried to go with superman and got crushed in that debate.

    my favorite hero is batman but due to the facts presented by everyone and websites marvel is the winner and i say movies are not canon they no count.

    we are probably going to say battle on earth right we love our planet. marvel got that but i will give space to dc.

    justice league won’t be a good team member in every empire on earth one country gets strong and start taking over the smaller teams but they can’t keep up the homeostasis and the other team starts to destroy it. britain rome china and usa pretty soon.

    and for both ya’ll numbers do turn tides sun tzu said that.

  • If i was to be very honest, i would tell you i know next to nothing about the DC Universe. That said, i really don’t think either side would win. (and that’s coming from a total Wolverine fan girl…) It’s my personal opinion that both sides would end up burning themselves out before there was an ultimate victory for anyone. All this talk about massive bloodshed and ass-kicking is fun, sure, but thinking logically both Marvel and DC are as close to evenly matched as you can get. I mean that’s kinda the point ain’t it? And what of the alternate dimensions? (time lines whatever) One such example are the characters of World War Hulk. I’m pretty sure all those heroes that got “hulked-out” could do some major damage wouldn’t even you DC fans agree? Most of you are only thinking about one dimension of heroes. Does that mean the rest are cast to the side? Are they not aloud to fight along side their alternate counterparts? What about the alien villains that have shown up in all comics at one point or another, are they part of this too? And dumb as it sounds, what about the humans? If your pitching the ENTIRE universe against another than they should count too should they not? Just some things to think about…
    (If my original comment goes up, sorry to fill the screen. If it doesn’t, then just know this one was edited slightly.)

  • I think Marvel will come out victorious because everybody knows a whole bunch of marvel characters but not so much DC, + DareDevil Wolverine Punisher IronMan they would win.

  • I read only the first couple and Damn. Really? You think Marvel would win? I think superman could kick all their asses with Flash. Wtf would they find Kryptonite? Without Kryptonite, they couldn’t stop Superman and Flash would just run them all over!

  • first off, hwo would any single group or the entire marvel world be able to take on the entire green lantern corps? tell me that….its quite impossible, the only way is with the yellow element, and thats on the dc side if were doing both villians and heroes from each side against eachother…marvel cant win hands down

  • To paul, It is not speculation, it is true. All of the creatures in the dc universe were created by or are represented by the-one-above-all. Marvel has The Over-Moniter. Basically, both are versions of God for either universe. Since we are pitting the two universes against each other, they would each view the other as a threat that had to be neutralized. They would erase the other from exsistence, and as a result, both of their universes would cease to exist since there is no one holding it together. That is how it would end.

  • The definition of “to speculate” according to Merriam-Webster dictionary:

    transitive verb
    1 : to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence

    “They would erase the other from exsistence, and as a result, both of their universes would cease to exist since there is no one holding it together. That is how it would end.”

    See, that’s a completely fabricated scenario that is based on absolutely nothing except your personal conviction of how things would go. You really have no ground to stand on, do you? How convenient that you declare it’s a draw after I shot down your arguments one by one. Marvel has more characters at the highest levels than DC, I gave the lists for both universes and Marvel has more. Are you ever going to admit that based on facts, DC loses? You’re getting ridiculous.

  • marvel only needs on man to beat all of dc and that man is the silver surfer. Oh no here comes superman. Bang next thing you know super man is a sandwich. and so is the rest of dc universe

  • To Paul Atreides, I just have to say hands down you are the best! I bow down to you. Lol. You made the most logical factual argument and Marvel wins! Nobody can argue with that and have DC win without having opinions and speculation put in now. 🙂

  • dude your an idiot the flash can also go faster than light
    im certain that flash could go faster than the surfer with the speedforce
    DC winz superman rulez n the hulk is retarded

  • hey lilrico let me explain something to you. First of all, yes the Silver Surfer can fly on his board faster than Flash can run. Second, even if the Silver Surfer was condemned to STAND STILL, there is no way Flash would even be able to hurt him. He’d get blasted into oblivion before he’d even realize it. Even if he was able to punch the Silver Surfer at full speed, it wouldn’t even phaze the Surfer. Do you even know the powers of the Silver Surfer? Seriously.

  • Thanks man! 🙂 I don’t have anything against DC, in fact I do enjoy a few DC comics, but the only way to settle a discussion like this is to put the biases aside and to look at the facts, and when you do there is really no contest 🙂

  • there may be 52 supermen.

    but marvel have a lot more earth’s, time-lines and what if’s full of different version’s of there hero’s as well

    just saying if you going to bring in alternate dimension’s and such

  • Finally, someone realizes that the Silver Surfer is really that powerful and Superman would have a serious time with him if they fought. I really couldn’t tell you who would win. Paul, you are the man, irrefutable evidence is what we needed. One last thing, the Surfer is powerrful but remember he cannot anwas not able to handle the Hulk. Just look at the Planet Hulk series and you will see why they had to jettison The Hulk into space. His rage was to great for any hero in Marvels universe to handle. Just food for thought!

    Read more: http://www.classesandcareers.com/collegelife/superman-vs-the-hulk-who-would-win/#ixzz0whbaGYfs

  • how bout some theoritical 1v1s?
    spiderman vs. batman
    superman vs. hulk
    wolverine vs. green lantern
    dr. doom vs. lex luthor and braniac
    and finally justice league vs. x men and fantastic 4
    comment with ur answers

  • all i got to say is GALUCTUS could destroy everybody in dc or u can go with dr.strange thor hulk,silver surfer or the marvel’s illumanti

  • God this is the fight ok well heres who wins Marvel and this is not because im a fan boy its because 1 thing and 1 thing only well 2 things Galactus and Silver Surfer they just dom like that

  • Batman might have a difficult time with Spidey because of spidey’s strength; Hulk and Superman, would destroy the planet, hulk wins because of strength level; Green Lantern takesout Wolverine; Dr Doom and LexLuthor/Braniac isa tie, bot of them are super smart and cunning; finally, Justice league beats FF4 and Xmen. Only teams that could be JL is Avengers (original) and the Defenders

  • No Dan, DC wouldn’t win, since Superman Prime is Tier 4 [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ] and Marvel has a lot more characters at the highest levels than DC. Read my replies earlier in the thread.

  • Okay you DC’ers. lets stop putting in Superman Prime, Professor Hulk is more than a match for Superman Prime, we don’t put in Prof Hulk in any of these matchups because it would be no contest, Prof Hulk would win hands down. He took down onslaught and the maestro by himself, nuff said. There is a site with a superhero database: I don’t think it is correct because on a scale of 1-16 they have the Hulk rated an 11, too low and Superman rated 16, if supes is 16 then the Hulk is equal or higher. They also have the Silver Surfer as the most powerful of both DC and Marvel. SS is rated 17, wow. If that is true then why did the heroes in Marvels Earth have to shoot the Hulk to another planet because he was too powerful for Earth’s heroes to handle, SS should have been able to handle him with no problem, makes you say hmmmmm.

  • You can’t compare the two cuz in the Dc universe there are such entities as Yahweh(GOD) and Lucifer(DEVIL) and in Marvel universe you have One-Above-All and The Living Tribunal so if the two sides fought it would be a draw because Omniscience vs Omniscience equals TIE…. Not that i’m off my soapbox if you minus the omnipotent beings and just the almost omnipotent ones and all beings from each universe worked together I think DC would win due to the amount of power in all the Lantern Corps combined would be a serious force to reckon with for any Marvel or DC characters.

  • Andre, for the record the Silver Surfer is a lot more powerful than the Hulk. He has beated the Hulk a LOT of times, and in his various incarnations. He’s beaten him several differents ways too. The Silver Surfer was not on Earth when the Earth’s heroes decided to exile him.

  • Paul, Are you familiar with the Defenders? The Hulk and The Silver Surfer were members and I can remember the Surfer, who is a powerful boy, having issues with the one who has no top limit to his strength. I must admit what a matchup, the power cosmic versus power unlimited, Earth shattering results! How would you call Superman vs. The Silver Surfer?

  • lilrico305,

    For your information, the Flash and Superman had a race on land, and The Flash and Superman were dead even with no clear winner. Superman can fly at almost the speed of light; the Silver Surfer moves light years in mere seconds. If you remember from school a light year is 9.5 trillion kilomters, so, I hope this puts this issue to bed, The flash is not faster than Superman and he is not faster by any menas than The Silver Surfer. Bring it!

  • Alright, this debate has been a long and informative one. It seems that everyone on the DC side is relying on their golden boys as usual (Superman and Batman). Supermans strength is amazing indeed, however as a read above what if Superman fought the Silver Surfer? The Silver Surfer can destroy planets and is an unquestionable force on his own, but I have not heard anyone mention the symbiotes in this debate at all. The symbiotes can exponentially increase the strength,speed,agility and powers of any host. If the Silver Surfer transformed into Carnage Cosmic (as he once did) Superman wouldnt stand a chance. Unlimited power, unlimited speed and a murderous rage that no one could predict, not even Batman. Leading to my next point, everyone always says that Batman can take down anyone, which MIGHT be possible providing he has time, sorry, in this fight, TIME is of the essance and while Batman is planning, Hulk, Spider-Man, The X-men, The Avengers are laying waste to the marvel universe. There are strengh in numbers and I think Marvel might have them on their side, allowing more opportunaties. I heard the flash mentioned, well there is Quicksilver. Quicksilver is equally as fast and would provide The Flash with alot on his plate so if someone was to come along and help Quicksilver out on the strength side (maybe Colossus) Flash is done. Wonder Woman? Please Storm or Rogue could take her out no problem. Rouge could beat her down as they have similar powers, but Rogue in the end could just drain her life away. This is all not to mention with Golden Boys (Superman and Batman) busy Hulk could probably take down anyone else. I also heard mention earlier that “Batman is a GENIOUS and rich”, so is Moonknight, I am not a fan of Moonknight, but he is rich, genious and has MANY toys at his disposal including a jet, car and also a moon god on his side. In the end, I think that Marvel can match and defeat any DC character. With addition to what I was saying, if a character was not strong enough a symbiote could make them strong enough….I am not even going to mention what would happen if Hulk merged with the Carnage symbiote or the Toxin symbiote. In the end, I think Marvel has got this one in the bag.

  • Alright, its time for me to throw my hat in the ring. I have read the comments above for the most part and now it is time for me to say my piece. First off, Superman I think might be able to take down the Hulk, thats a big might, but Superman could never take down the Silver Surfer…never, he is the destroyer of worlds and has unimaginiable power and speed, he is just too much for Superman to handle, and while good old Superman is being picked apart that leaves the rest of the mavel universe to be taken down one by one. I am surprised no one has mention Apocalypse through out this message board, possibly the most unstoppable villan in the marvel universe, strength beyond the hulk and powers that are limitless. He alone might be able to take down a vast majority of the DC universe. I see someone wrote a message regarding Batman being able to defeat everyone with enough time, Batman is a genius, however time is of the essence and even if he took his time, but then everyone might be dead and it would be too late (not to mention he wouldnt remain in hiding for long as Xavior could find him where ever he went and Mystic could just become Alfred and then blow his head off when he had his guard down. One on One though everyone is putting Batman again Iron Man, Iron Man is a good match for Batman, but not the best, the best match would be good old Moon Knight. Genius, Dark, Rich and has the Moon God on his side if he were to die (which he has) he would be brought back to life and thats IF Batman could defeat him. Moon Knight has many gadgets and many riches a fight that would be a great one. Once again though, everyone is missing a HUGE ace in the hole….the Symbiotes. These things can vastly increase the power of any being including Silver Surfer who once became “The Carnage Cosmic” a completely unstoppable being that could lay waste to anyone and anything. If Superman was in trouble before he is toast for sure now as Carnage is NOT vulnarable to sound and not even fire star could generate enough heat to hurt him. Not to mention all the good old X-Men, Hulk, Spider-Man, Thor, and all the other goodies Marvel has just sitting on the side lines. DC? Win? I think not.

  • Yes Andre I’ve read pretty much every Defender issue and there is really no contest, they have been in fights a lot of times and the Hulk’s strength is ultimately no match for the power cosmic. I remember one early encounter when the Hulk was hitting the Surfer as hard as he could and the Surfer was simply standing there thinking of ways to help the Hulk. He then proceeded to absorb the Hulk’s gamma energy… and he was trying to help him, not fight him.
    Really, there are dozens and dozens of ways the Surfer would beat the Hulk. The same goes for Silver Surfer vs Super-man, there would be no real contest, the Surfer is clearly more powerful. I don’t want to take anything from the Hulk or Superman though, we’ve seen how powerful World War Hulk is, but the Silver Surfer is still clearly on a different level thanks to the power cosmic.

  • your all forgetting one little thing. the specter, the wrath of god, not a pagon god, not god of the universe, but the god, god of both marvel and dc universe, with his powers he could take out all of reality.

  • Hey guys, I’m back

    @ Andre
    Actually, The flash is faster than superman, way faster. Since the current Flash is wally west, you will no doubt have heard that he has grown in speed so that it takes superman everything he’s got to keep up with him. Also, Superman vs the Silver Surfer is almost as pointless as Superman vs Spiderman, Surfer is ridiculously too powerful.
    Now, Andre, we have already been over this in the superman vs Hulk thread, Hulk can’t beat Superman. First of all, it has been revealed that the hulk doesn’t kill random people for no reason. This means that all supes has to do is let Hulk calm down while he chills out on the moon. Superman also WILL kill if he has no choice, and if he quickly ripped Hulk in half and tore apart his heart before he got too strong, Supes takes it. Superman is also WAY stronger than we have ever seen hulk. Hulk may have held up the earth, but superman has held a black hole in the palm of his hand, and punched a hole through the time-space continuom when he needed to time travel. He is also way FASTER than the hulk. Since he is faster than the Jay Garrick flash, and once rivaled the latest Wally West Flash, his super speed could definately come in handy. Also, what can hulk do if Supes flies? He can try to jump, but Supes could easily dodge him with superspeed. Add in Clark’s massive arsenal of Kryptonian tech, and it’s over for the hulk. The Marvel Heroes got rid of hulk because they didn’t have anything strong enough to beat him. Superman has beaten Solomon Grundy Multiple times, Who could easily beat the hulk, simply because he cannot die. He is an undead zombie, every time you kill him, he comes back again. Also, I think that Imperiex could beat the Surfer, since, unlike galactus, he has destoyed entire GALAXIES in the time it would take for Galactus to eat Pluto.

  • Imperiex could beat Silver Surfer, Galactus, Dr. Strange, The Four, The X-men, Spidey, Thanos, The Defenders, The Avengers, and pretty much anyone else. He destroys galaxies, he could have destroyed the entire dc universe, but he just wanted to cut out the parts he didn’t like. Not to mention, he can make weaker clones of himself, one of which Mongul and Superman barely were able to defeat. Also, I am beggening to see how pointless it would be for anyone in this thing to actually kill anyone, since no main character stays dead in comics.

  • Imperiex is Tier 9 – [ Metaphysical Semi-Abstract level ], so he does not belong in the group of top characters from both universes that I mentioned. Give it up already, we’ve been through this, Marvel beats DC looking at the best characters from both universes. End of story.

  • Luke,

    Nice try, but I think you need to read whats below and then rethink your synopsis of Superman beating the Hulk. His powers and a few more tidbits about the Hulk’s abilities and unlimited strength are mentioned. And I say again, if Doomsday can kill Superman, He has no chance against the Hulk, read he info and weep: Please pay attention to LIMITLESS STRENGTH.

    Here is the site you can go to to get more information; http://marvel.wikia.com/Hulk_(Robert_Bruce_Banner) I am looking for a site that lists the same info about DC’s characters; if you know of one please listit so I can do heroby hero comparison.

    Superhuman Strength: The Hulk possesses the capacity for vast levels of physical strength. The Beyonder once stated that the Hulk’s potential strength is limitless[173]. His strength has been additionally described as limitless [174]. However, each of the “core” Hulk personalities possesses a base strength level. While in a functionally calm state, the Gray Hulk is able of lifting 70 tons, the Savage Hulk can lift about 90 tons, and the Merged Hulk can lift about 100 tons. The incarnation sometimes referred to as “Green Scar” is the physically strongest of all the primary Hulk incarnations. After being exposed to energies from the exploding warp core of the ship that brought him to Sakaar, his base strength level was dramatically increased. While in a “calm” state, he was capable of lifting over 100 tons. However, while in an enraged state, adrenaline surges through the Hulk’s body increasing his strength considerably beyond all his limits. Among his impressive feats of strength are supporting a 150 billion ton mountain [175], smashing true adamantium [176], holding his own against the West Coast and the East Coast Avengers teams for a prolonged period of time despite being greatly weakened before the fight began due to separation from Bruce Banner [177], eventually knocking down the Human Torch, Thing and the Invisible Woman, in a casual battle among Hulk and them [178], holding his own against Wonder Man, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch and Vision while the narration states that Hulk’s power is indeed greater than their combined might [179], overcoming a huge energy absorption machine imbued with most of the combined power of himself, the Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange and Namor [180], overpowering Thor[181], stalemating Thor in hand to hand combat while Thor was in the state known as the “Warrior’s Madness” that amplifies his strength tenfold [182], knocking the Juggernaut to his knees with only two blows[183], holding a black hole core with his bare hands [184], almost breaking the East Coast and threating to break the entire planet by the sheer output of force from his body [185], overcoming a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet [186], destroying an asteroid that was twice the size of Earth due only to his physical toughness, as the structure’s impulse was produced by the contraction and relaxation of his legs and the jets only prolonged the great speed of the impulse [187], breaking a space-time barrier with two punchs [188], cracking Onslaught’s armor after an enraged Savage Hulk emerged[189], holding together the tectonic plates of a planet[190], destroying a device designed to fight against the Celestials[191], sending concussive energy throughout countless dimensions only because of his power as Hulk antecipated Ironclad’s jump towards him and attacked defensively to remain untouched [192]. Thor even recognized that the Hulk may be physically stronger [193]. The Hulk also grows stronger the more radiation he absorbs [194], and the more dark magic he assimilates[195].
    Superhuman Speed: Regardless of his size, Hulk’s superhumanly strong legs allow him to run at speeds that are far beyond the natural physical limits of even the finest human athlete. However this speed does not grant him any enhanced reflexes or agility as smaller foes exploit his size and use it to their advantage. Despite this however, he has been fast enough to catch mortar shells shot at him[196].
    Superhuman Stamina: The Hulk’s body counteracts fatigue poisons that build up in his muscles during physical activity. In an enraged state, he is capable of exerting himself at peak physical capacity for several days before fatigue begins to affect him. However, much like his physical strength, the Hulk’s stamina does increase as he becomes angrier [197].

    Superhuman Durability: In addition to great strength, the Hulk’s body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury. The Hulk’s skin is impervious to conventional blades, adamantium and vibranium being amongst the very few metals that are truly capable of piercing his skin. The Hulk is capable of withstanding high caliber bullets, explosives, pressure extremes, falls from orbital heights[198], maximized heat without blistering, maximized cold without freezing, and great impacts. The Hulk has withstood the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion [199] and the full force of the Human Torch’s Nova Blast, which has a maximum temperature of 1,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit, without sustaining injury[200]. He was also able to withstand temperature hotter than that produced by stars[201], planet-splitting impacts[202], and a blast from Galactus[203]. The Hulk’s durability, much like his strength, is fueled by rushes of adrenaline while angry[204].
    Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his high resistance to physical harm, it is possible to cause the Hulk injury. However, he is capable of regenerating damaged or destroyed areas of his body with far greater speed and efficiency than an ordinary human. For example, during a battle with Vector he repelled all of the skin and much of the muscle mass off of the Hulk. It took the Hulk moments to regain the mass and be completely healed [205]. His healing factor also enables him to recover from any physical transmutation [206]. Hulk also heals faster and more efficiently the madder he gets[207].

    Resistance to Psychic Control: In many instances, the Hulk has demonstrated great psychic resistance as a side-effect of his rage and the multiple personalities inside his mind[208].
    Immunity to All Diseases: The Hulk is immune to all known Earth-based diseases, including AIDS [209]. He can operate under intense conditions for extended periods of time due to his body not developing fatigue toxins quickly.
    Superhuman Leaping Ability: The Hulk is able to use his highly developed leg muscles to leap great distances. While calm, he is capable of leaping roughly 3 miles. However, as he becomes enraged, his strength increases considerably, which means he can jump much farther than usual. On more than one occasion, the Hulk has nearly jumped into orbit[210]. The Hulk has also been known to cover a distance of 1,000 miles with a single leap[211]. Another example of his leaping ability is shown during an encounter with Hercules, when Hulk jumped on top of Mount Olympus from ground level, in a single leap [212]. The Hulk also shows incredible precision with his ability to aim his jumps and landings. He has grabbed missiles out of the air on multiple occasions and landed on tiny islands that were barely visible from the height he fell from[213].

    Adaptation to Hostile Environments: There have been several instances in the past where Hulk has not only spent extended periods of time in oxygen-less outer space without suffocating, but he has also moved his mouth and spoken in these environments. It appears that the Hulk’s body is able to adapt itself to new inhospitable environments whenever it is necessary[214]. Like his healing factor, it is believed that this ability is also fueled by his rage and the madder the Hulk is, the quicker the Hulk’s body will adapt.

    Underwater Breathing: The Hulk has been seen on the ocean floor a number of times and is able to breathe due to his body developing a gland which creates an oxygenated perfluorocarbon emulsion which fills his lungs and equalizes the pressure[215]. He is therefore able to breathe fluid and avoid decompression and nitrogen narcosis.

    Extrasensory Perception:
    Astral Form Perception: The Hulk has the unique ability of being able to see “astral forms”–or ghosts[216]. This power has come in handy when working with his fellow Defender, Dr. Strange, who is able to leave his body in an usually invisible, ghost-like state known as an astral form. Banner subconsciously feared his father’s ghost would come back to haunt him, and so Hulk developed this mechanism to allow him to look out for him. Recent events have shown that the power to see astral forms may now extend to Bruce Banner. However, it was suggested the clarity of the astral forms is diminished when compared to the Hulk’s ability to view them. The Hulk’s ability to see astral forms may go beyond just seeing individual spirits. Hulk once experienced a whole town in the middle of the desert that faded away into nothing. While it is possible it was merely a mirage, the issue suggests it is possible Hulk was able to see a town that didn’t exist in our plane of reality that no one else could see.

    Homing Ability: The Hulk also has a seemingly mystical homing ability that enables him to locate the area in New Mexico where he first became the Hulk[217]. This extends even if he is in another dimension. An image of the Maestro explained to Bruce that the reason he was able to do that was because the Maestro’s spirit was there, calling to him. However, since the Maestro was resurrected the Hulk has continued to return to the gamma bomb site, suggesting that there is more to his ability than merely the Maestro’s spirit. This homing ability has also been used to find people on rare occasions. For example, the Hulk was able to dig a tunnel underground exactly in the direction of Onslaught, to which the Vision noted that the Hulk’s sense of direction “borders on the supernatural”. While it is possible that Onslaught was mentally leading the Hulk to him, there were other instances of Hulk demonstrating this ability. Hulk’s instincts led him to Rick Jones and Betty and the Hulk located the Abomination with no prior knowledge of his whereabouts.

  • All I ask is the same info that lists DC’s strongests, Superman’ abilities and some of the amazing feats he has accomplished, similar to the info I posted about the Hulk. As you see he can breathe in space and underwater. Once again, bring it!

  • after reading all these comments! alot of good points have been brought up on both of the best sides of comics! being a follower of both sides! But i have to say D.C takes it with so many reasons!..and if you need them read above! when this all ends! there would 3 people standing! and those three would be Superman, Wonder women and Batman! Comics most legendary and Greatest Superheroes! sorry Marvel..but D.C heroes are bigger and better!

  • Luke,

    I found a power scale for DC’s Characters, compare what is said about Superman’s power level and feats of strength compared to the Hulk’s; this should put this nonsense of Superman being stronger than the Hulk to rest. Both of them can exceed the 100+ ton level, there is no mention of any incredible feats like the Hulk lifting 150 billion tons, if you can find something like that let me know. According to this information there is not irrefutable eveidence that Superman is stronger than the Hulk. Once again, BRING IT!

    Here’s the site: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman_(Earth-2)Here is the info:

    PowersKryptonian Physiology: Superman’s cellular structure is more dense, resilient and biologically more effective than human tissue. Superman’s body also stores energy actively within his bio-cellular matrix as an energy pattern that is linked to his body’s electromagnetic field.[citation needed] This energy powers most of Superman’s electromagnetic capabilities such as flight and heat vision.[citation needed] It also supplements his physical strength.

    Solar Energy Absorption: Technically, this is the main source of Superman’s powers. Because Superman’s powers are greatly due to exposure to Earth’s yellow sun, his powers have been affected by extreme absorptions of solar power, whether voluntary or involuntary.[citation needed] However, Superman has used this to his advantage in battle in many instances, and to his detriment at certain times.[citation needed]
    Superhuman Strength: While the exact magnitude of Superman’s strength is unknown, it is generally accepted that Superman is sufficiently strong to lift several thousand tons.
    Invulnerability: Superman’s body is nigh-invulnerable to extreme energy forces ,In addition, his immune system protects him from toxins and diseases.
    Superhuman Stamina: Superman has the ability to maintain continuous strenuous physical action for an undefined period.
    Flight: Superman can defy the forces of gravity. Under one Earth gravity, Superman is capable of Mach speeds in Earth’s atmosphere. His control of his flight is very precise and he can perform aerobatic feats such as hovering, flying backwards and even lifting great weights while flying. Superman has repeatedly demonstrated he has the ability to achieve escape velocities , fly in outer space and land safely down to a planet’s surface from outer space.
    Superhuman Speed: Superman is capable of enhanced reflex action and the ability to move at incredible speeds by sheer force of will. Superman can match most other speedsters in their ability to perform super-fast movements, reactions, and processes. He can use this power to disarm opponents who do not have heightened reflexes, catch bullets or shrapnel or cross vast distances in seconds.
    Super-Breath: The ability to create hurricane force winds by blowing, and to chill his breath in order to freeze a target (this latter ability has also been called “freeze breath” and “arctic breath”). Superman can also breathe in large amounts of air, an ability used when dealing with and disposing things like clouds of poison gas.
    Superhuman Hearing: The ability to hear any sound at any volume or pitch.[citation needed] He has shown enough control to block out ambient sounds to focus on a specific source/frequency. He can identify a person by their heartbeat, or pick out a single voice in an entire city.
    Heat Vision: The ability to fire beams of intense heat at a target by looking at it with the conscious act of activating this power. Visually, the power is typically depicted as two beams of red light firing from his eyes. These beams can be made invisible, allowing Superman to work undetected. The area of effect can be consciously determined by Superman, down to the microscopic level. Recent stories imply the precision is so exact it can bypass a target’s outer shell (not causing damage to a person’s skull for surgical purposes) or even defenses (such as invulnerability or intangibility).[citation needed]
    Superhuman Vision:: He also possess a superior sensory arrangement of microscopic, telescopic, infrared and ultraviolet visual capabilities. He is able to see the entire spectrum. Abilities include:
    Electro-magnetic Spectrum Vision: can see well into most of the EM Spectrum. He can see and identify radio/television and any and all broadcast/transmitted frequencies, allowing him to avoid detection through radar or satellite monitoring methods. Superman can see the aura that every living thing generates.[citation needed]
    Telescopic Vision: The ability to “zoom in” his distance to see something at a great distance.
    X-Ray Vision: The ability to see through anything except lead. He can see things behind a wall as if the wall were not there, or can “peel back” layer after layer of matter in his mind. Opponents sometimes used lead-lined constructs in an attempt to hide things from Superman.
    Microscopic Vision: The ability to see extremely small objects and images down to the atomic level.FStrength levelClass 100+; able to easily lift 100 tons.

  • Andre, you can bring as many random ats of strength done by the hulk as you like, superman can equal them. Also, wikipedia isn’t always the best place to get your information. His speed alone is enough to stagger hulk. Since he can fly, and unlike many other speedsters, take a hit from hulk, hulk is going to be in trouble. He is fast enough to not only dodge Darksieds omega beams, but use them to his Darksied. As admitted by the Hulk’s strengths feats, while he can get up to a pretty good speed, he has no superspeed, since quicker and more agile opponents have been able to exploit this. You think hulk being able to destroy the earth is something? Superman could crack the earth in half with far less effort than hulk did. He cracked one of Saturn’s moons in half when Lex Luthor became president because he was mad. Also, at full strength he has been shown to be able to lift 200 quintillion tons (http://www.comicvine.com/superman/29-1807/superman-feat-thread/92-23326/). That’s straight from the comics, not Wikipedia. Also, don’t be so quick to write off superman’s heat vision. The technology earth has is enough to measure the temperature of stars, but not enough to measure the heat of Superman’s heat vision.(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg) He has also used it to raise the temperature of an entire planet. He has heard things millions of miles away, and survived a sun eater, as well as destroying an entire planet and defeating thor. (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t371890.html)

    The Hulk has bled. And if he can bleed, he can die, limitless strength or no.

  • Luke,

    I wonder why they chose to use the weakest Hulks to fight Superman in your comic depiction. It seems as though no matter what one of us does, the other tries to out do it; I’ll have to just say that if these two fought or had to fight together against all the other superheroes we know who would be left standing. I’m thinking only the Silver Surfer, Thor, Dr. Manhattan and possibly Doomsday would stand a chance of surviving, and Galactus.

  • Can DC fanboys read? The Endless was already mentioned at it’s a is Tier 4 [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ] character, meaning that it would get toasted by the top level characters from Marvel and DC that I mentioned. luke, since you’re no longer replying to me I can only assume that you agree that Marvel wins based on the list of top characters from both universes that I posted.

  • If by “it”, you mean “them” Paul. Didn’t you know, there are seven of the endless, each representing different ideas. It is also pretty hard to kill an idea so, that might have some play in the fight. Not trying to sound stupid, but do marvel and dc use the same tier system? Since they are totally different universes, were they made to fit the universe, or are the same overall? Just wanted to know

    @Andre,
    I agree with all but Dr. Manhatten, He probably just wouldn’t care after a while, or maybe see himself getting beat by Armaggedon or someone, and let them beat him. I’ve always considered Manhatten as kind of loser, especially after he dematerialises Rorshach. If we are using all of the heroes and villains in the dc and marvel universe, does that also include the legion of superheroes team? They kind of sulk (with names like Bouncy Boy and Matter-Eater-Lad, it’s pretty hard not too), the only reason I called attention to them was for composite superman’s sake. Basically, he has all of Batman’s dectective skills, as well as all of Superman’s kryptonian abilities, minus the kryptonite weakness and the inability to see through led, as well as every power from the legion of Superheroes. This would include, The ability to generate and control huge amounts of electricity, the ability to shrink to microscopic size, the ability to grow to be about a little taller than marvel’s giant man, invisibility, intangibility, telepathy, the ability to consume anything, shapeshifting, the ability to eat any substance, a twelth level intelligance (makes Mr. Fantastic and Batman put together look stupid), the ability to create three clones of himself, the ability to control metal, the ability to make things super-heavy and super-lightwieght, the ability to stretch any part of his body, the ability to turn into a large ball, the ability to transmute elements, the ability to generate heat and light, with strenght three times stronger than superman’s… yeah, he’s pretty bad.

  • I meant to write Death of the Endless, since the other members of the group are either at the same level or below.

    The scale used is the same, meaning that comparisons between the two universes can be made. You have to look at the name of each tier to make the comparisons, because one universe might have characters at a level that does not exist in the other universe. For example, tier 2 characters in Marvel are “2nd Class Beyond”, and that level doesn’t exist in DC (there are no DC characters at that level – there are characters above and below it but not at the exact same level). Therefore Marvel’s tier 1 can be compared to DC’s tier 1, Marvel’s tier 3 can be compared to DC’s tier 2, but Marvel’s tier 2 has no equivalent in DC. The names/titles of the tiers that can be compared will always be similar. For example, the name “High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstract level” refers to tier 7 characters for DC and tier 8 characters for Marvel.

  • well paul, the onl other thing I have to say is that sometimes greater skill and expierience beats raw power. Some of these guys are better than others but it has been shown both in DC as well as Marvel that weaker guys can overcome enemies far stronger or numerous than themselves with a better plan or more skill.

    @ Andre, also, if you remember what I said about not being sure whether the Martian Manhunter was stronger than Prof. X, I’m much more certain that he’ll beat the professor now. J’onn’s telepathy is incredible in the coics, Supermanhimself has said the the Manhunter is “The most powerful being on the face of the earth.” He has shown the ability to connect with evr mind on earth at the same time, and when he went evil, he managed to defeat the entire Justice League alone. He also forced the entire world to try to kill the league’s loved ones for a while, and at the same time forced middle eastern enemies into signing a peace treaty, forced Luthor into a coma, made every batman villian wnt to change their life around, and had hundreds of nuclear missiles launched at every major city in the world. All while sitting in a field, and able to hold a seperate conversation. X’s telepathy is good, but has never gone farther than a couple of miles.

  • No, your argument does not work for the levels of power that we’re talking about here. These characters simply do not have any weaknesses that could be exploited by lower-level characters. This is true of both the DC and Marvel characters I mentioned.

  • Luke,

    In my opinio, The Fantastic Four vs. The JLA, is no match at all. Superman will destroy the Thing, Wonder Woman wi destroy the Invisible Girl, Green Lantern and Jon Jonzz will mop the floor with the Human Torch. The Torch does not get hot enught o affect JLA’s Strongest which is Superman. So the FF vs. JLA is all JLA. The Avengers or Defenders are on JLA level, no other team has a chance.

    I ask you, what do you think about Superman vs. Gladiator of the Kree Empire?

  • It would probably be pretty close, they are both very evenly matched, and would be the fight would be very tough to call. Superman has his head powers(x-ray vision, cold breath, laser vision, super-hearing, telescopic and microscopic vision), and Gladiator with his Psionic abilities. I’d probably give it to superman just because of his tenacity and determination. Also, he can always whip out a phantom zone projector, or kryptonian battle-suit if thigs start to go wrong for him.

  • I agree with you Luke, Supes would win inthe end, I’m trying to find Gladiators strength level and weaknesses, I can’t find them anywhere.

  • guys i think we are all forgetting that people like wolverine and deadpool and red hulk and the silver surfer and not forget galactus are truly invinceable

  • another thing is that the beyonder blink and have the whole entire dc and marvel universe completely gone and honestly that might happen

  • MARVEL. Hulk? The madder he gets the stronger he gets. How do you stop that? OK “You don’t fight him and let a sniper take him out when he calms down”. Problem is when he’s not Hulk he’s a GENIUS that has alot of expirience hiding himself and watching his back. Ok Superman powerful and all but, has a weakness. KRYPTONITE. Reed and the rest of FF get ahold of that popsicle and he’s done. Really I can see Fantastic Four taking out most of DC alone.

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  • Jack, I agree with you somewhat, The Silver Surfer has been dubbed the strongest hero out of everyone. Remember the power cosmic makes Superman look like Spiderman. Silver Surfer can fly lightyears in seconds; Superman flies at almost the speed of light, no contest, soooo, if The Surfer got his power from Galactus, I guess you see where this is leading. Oh, and by the way, the Red Hulk can’t hold the Green Hulks jock, he gets hotter the madder he gets and he burns out. As mentioned Marvel does win simply because of The Silver Surfer, The Hulk,thor and Galcatus makes sure of that. Also don’t forget Reed Richards is one of the smartest men on the planet and he would find a way to use Superman’s weakness against him. Bring it DC’ers.

  • Marvel hands down, professorX(or any other telepathic) can manipulated superman,Dr. Manhattan, or the atom with his powers to fight there own DC ppl as for superman im sure a marvel character can get kryptonite and kill superman or Prof. X can manipulate the atom to make him dissapear/dissolve, same thing with the flash(my fav. hero lol)! as for the robotic characters like brainac n etc.(n magic vs magic) full on brawl powers for powers to me Marvels, but best few against best few in a rings(oversized dome)DC becuz of 3 characters tag team match lol, The Atom, black adam, and amazo

  • marvel would wipe out dc. besides the fact of the silver surfer. marvel has LIVING TRIBUNAL and he alone would crush the entire dc universe.

  • these are some of the things that dc would have to go against.

    first off, deadpool once had his head cut of and he just picked it up and put it back on. also, he is a skilled assassin with guns and swords, he can also teleport.

    Hulk is a Big green powerhouse. He is physically one of the strongest of all marvel characters going far beyond even class 100 strength (strong enough to press 100 tons). He once destroyed a meteorite the size of earth in a single blow indicating that possibly, he could lift billions of tons.

    also through electron gathering and manipulation, Black Bolt can increase any aspect of his physical nature to superhuman levels, including his strength, speed, stamina and durability. In times of great need, he can channel this power into a single devastating punch called “The Master Blow”. He can also harness the electrons for matter transformation; the controlled projection of energy as concussive blasts or quasi-solid particle/electron fiends, broadcasting jamming frequencies, and flight. But Black Bolt’s most powerful offensive weapon is his cacophonous voice, a hypersonic shout that can level an entire city, and his merest whisper has been shown capable of breaking every bone in the Hulk’s body. It’s even been suggested that his voice is capable of destroying an entire planet. so he would be hard to beat.

    compare this: super-MAN thor, GOD of thunder.

    As the former herald of the world-devourer Galactus, the silver surfer possesses he “power cosmic,” an energy source capable of almost any feat imaginable, making him one of the most powerful beings in the cosmos.

    Apocalypse has control of his body on the atomic level to go along with tremendous energy absorption and energy projecting abilities. His powers are greatly enhanced due to his mastery of alien technology specifically genetics and biochemistry.

    also, Thanos possesses immeasurable levels of intelligence, strength, endurance, stamina, and durability. Thanos also has exhibited the ability to manipulate enormous amounts of cosmic energy. An obsession with the female embodiment of death, led him to gain control of the infinity gauntlet, ascending him to godhood. Thanos could use his power to destroy half the life in our universe by simply snapping his fingers.

    galactus, the only survivor of the universe that existed before the Big Bang, consumes entire planets for nourishment. He has displayed god like abilities, including manipulation of molecules on a cosmic scale, conversion of matter to energy and vice versa, teleportation across great distances, erecting impenetrable force fields, etc…, all on levels beyond human comprehension. His intelligence, stamina, and endurance are also beyond any known method of calculation. Galactus is also able to scan the thoughts of virtually any known being.

    the Abstract Entities can be considered abstract concepts that have shown the ability to manifest themselves physically in order to reveal themselves or their motives to conscious beings in the omniverse. These entities have at one time or another exhibited “god like” power within their respective realms. It is not clear, however if these entities take action through their own will or if they are controlled by a higher power.

    The Living Tribunal is a virtually omnipotent and omniscient entity whose purpose is to safeguard the omniverse from imbalance. Tribunal is perfectly impartial and has shown the ability to accomplish anything it sets its will to; including the willingness to sacrifice millions to save billions and sacrifice billions to save trillions. There is absolutely no limit to what The Living Tribunal can accomplish in order to maintain balance or eliminate threats.

    The One Above All is the Creator of all realities in all timelines in every single part of the omniverse. TOAA is essentially “God” and therefore nothing can possibly exist without him. This makes TOAA more powerful than all beings or entities combined.

    Born a mutant, Prof. X is the world’s most powerful telepath. Despite being wheelchair-bound, he can read minds and wipe minds clean. he could reduce batman’s mind to a vegetable.

    Dr. Steven Strange stands as the first and last line of defense against all magic-based menaces that threaten our dimension.

    Dr doom once successfully stole the power of Odin, and could definitely beat most of the dc minds.

    The unstoppable Juggernaut is one of the mightiest characters in the marvel universe. since absorbing the powers of cyttorak he has had untold mystical power. among these are his possibly unlimited physical strength (which some say rival the Hulk’s) and his invulnerability. Another notable power is his unstopability. Once he starts moving in a direction no force on earth can stop him. The Juggernaut once also possessed the ability to form an indestructible force field around himself.

    the beyonder destroys and creates universes easily.

    Gladiator possesses a number of superhuman capabilities as a result of his unique alien physiology including superhuman strength (capable of shattering a planet),superhuman speed, stamina and durability (capable of withstanding an explosion equivalent to a supernova); reflexes; heat vision (stated as “hotter than a star”); frost breath and is capable of warp speed flight (measured as “a hundred times the speed of light”). Gladiator’s abilities increase and decrease in accordance with his level of confidence and he is vulnerable to a certain form of rare radiation.

    Kronos has vast intellect, time manipulation, soul manipulation and other powers. Kronos has become one with the universe.

    The Destroyer has had many experiences, being the instrument of Odin, the arch-enemy of Thor,and the Herald of Galactus. His most formidable power is his incredible durability. His exoskeleton is more durable than adamantium and even the magic metal uru. His physical strength is greater than Thor’s and he is capable of projecting powerful energy beams.

    The Magus’s power is comparable to that of Galactus. His main power is unlimited shape shifting. He can become virtually any substance, any size (larger than suns), any shape, and color. He can turn into things such as starships, cannons, etc. Potentially he could make himself into a massive cannon the size of a planet and destroy anything in space. His possibilities are limitless. He also possesses extremely powerful telepathy and can learn things such as languages in an instant.

    Master Hate, the embodiment of hate and the counterpart of Mistress Love. His powers are equal and opposite to hers

    Morg is a herald of Galactus. Supposedly stronger than any other herald, even the Silver Surfer.

    Franklin Richards is one of the rare omega level mutants, He has the ability to warp reality on a much more massive scale than Proteus. though in his child form he never could completely control his immeasurable powers, however it is said that his power equals that of the celestials.

    The ghost rider wields great power. he can project hellfire in limitless amounts which can cause massive explosions. He can also control this fire to either burn matter and flesh, or to burn the soul or to do both. Arguably his most powerful ability is his penance stare which makes the victim feel all the pain they ever inflicted. He also has supernatural strength able to lift 25 tons. He also possesses a mystical bike which can travel at nearly the speed of sound. it can also run on walls and over water. He is definitely one of the strongest beings on earth.

    Mikaboshi is an abstract being of far greater power than even the Sky father beings such as Odin or Zeus. HE has defeated Zeus, the king of the Sky father and most powerful of the Greek Gods on 2 separate occasions. His powers include immortality, shape-shifting,super strength, various energy projections, etc.

    Sise-Neg is possibly the greatest sorceror ever. By travelling back in time, he was able to eventually absorb all magic and eventually all time and space in the entire marvel universe. He decided to destroy it and recreate it in his image but he came to the conclusion that the previous image was the best and re-created it.

    Vulcan is the brother of Scott Summers and Ales Summers both mutants however unlike them he is an omega level mutant. He has the ability to manipulate all forms of energy at will and can absorbs them as well, even magic. He has fought on par with the likes of Black Bolt and has fought against the X-men, Inhumans and Starjammers simultaneously.

    the Shaper of worlds is a large scale reality Warper with great intelligence

    Adam Warlock possesses natural strength and durability greater than humans as well as other powers but his greatest power by far is his control of the soul gem. He can manipulate and judge the souls of others. Though sometimes the gem acts independently. Though not as strong as the god of thunder, he was able to “manhandle” him indicating that his physical strength is great as well. HE also has the ability of interstellar flight and can survive in space

    Ymir ice king of the Ice demons. He can cause anything he touches including the air to freeze and he can manipulate the weather around himself to some degree.

    The Red Hulk’s strength is equal to that of Hulk and he possesses even greater intelligence.He has defeated Thor,Hulk and Silver Surfer before. He also can absorb certain powers but the degree of how much he can absorb is unknown. And unlike the Hulk who gets stronger as he gets madder, The red Hulk gets hotter as he gets madder and gives off a radiation aura

    Molecule Man possesses the extremely powerful ability to manipulate all forms of matter in the multiverse

    Adversary is an ancient being that possesses nigh-omniscient powers such as high tier magical abilities as well as reality warping.

    The giant demon of fire and an arch foe of Asgard. Surter has power on par with Odin. He stands over 1000 feet tall

    Ego, An actual living planet that has complete control of his biosphere. he can cause effects such as volcanoes, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc. . He can alter the climate environment and even create living beings out of his own essence, however, they are not sentient. They’re controlled by Ego. He can also fly through space and fire energy from his eyes.

    the Phoenix Force is the most feared being in the universe. Single handedly defeated Galactus himself and over powered even the mkraan crystal.

    Tyrant is the creation of Galactus nearly equal in power to him yet eventually became his bitter rival. He he has defeated the Silver Surfer,Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Morg, Ganymede,and the Jack of Hearts simultaneously, indicating his extreme power.

    the In-Betweener As the physical embodiment of the cosmic balance between Chaos and Order, the In-Betweener is able to manipulate cosmic energy to alter reality to achieve nearly any effect or ability within his influence as the synthesis of duality. He is, however, under the absolute control of Lord Chaos and Master Order as his creators. The In-Betweener’s other major (and unique) ability is to analyze a target and then direct energy towards it in a “polar opposite” form, which is instantly fatal.[3]

    Alternatively, if he cannot ‘personally’ synthesize the “opposite energy” necessary to eliminate an opponent, he can directly summon that enemy’s opposite being, and eliminate them that way; using the power granted to him in his station as a cosmic force, he once even summoned and forced Death itself to destroy the Elders of the Universe, even though it had, at an earlier point, refused to ever let them die again as a punishment. The In-Betweener finds that he is unable to use either of his special abilities on Galactus, however, and he believes that this is because he is Galactus’s metaphysical counterpart and opposite.

    The watchers are a race of untold knowledge and power. They have a power level around that of Galactus and possibly even greater knowledge. Despite their power they have vowed not to interfere with any other races in the universe, however, Uatu the watcher has violated this oath to help particularly the earth and its heroes on many occasions.

    Unfortunately, not a lot of people know about the Runner but should. He is considered the fastest character in the marvel universe far outclassing any other speed demon. Another thing is that he is absolutely immortal and cannot be killed by any means. He can project energy far greater than the Silver Surfer and can easily shrug off his blasts. He is also over 5 billion years old. He also can control the emotions of others.

    Onslaught is a being of immense power with the combined powers of Professor X (earths strongest telepath) and Magneto (the master of magnetism) in addition to this he also has class 100 strength.

    Proteus has the mutant ability to warp and restructure reality itself. potentially making him extremely dangerous.

    The very embodiment of time, Eternity can manipulate space, time, and reality itself as he wishes. His power is greater even than the likes of Galactus.

    Odin the monarch of Asgard and the strongest of all Asgardians, even his son Thor. He can manipulate magic for a variety of effects including strength augmentation,size augmentation, various magical enchantments, fire energy blasts, and others. He also, as the monarch of Asgard, can absorb the powers of all the Asgardians into himself to greatly augment his already formidable powers. Odin is immortal and thus cannot die die by any natural means. His regular strength level is around 60 tons.

    The celestials are a group of extremely powerful beings considered to be in Galactus’s league and even stronger than Odin.

    Dormannu is the Lord of the Dark dimension. The Supreme sorcerer, stronger than Dr. Strange and even Mephisto.

    Annihilus is a megalomaniac who possesses advanced Tyannan technology and the cosmic control rod. He has know to have defeated Thor and dared to fight Odin himself. When death is upon him he can spawn immature clones of himself that retain his memories so that he can continue to survive.

    Sentry is an immensely powerful being from earth. He has over class 100 strength,light speed flight. He also possesses extremely powerful telepathic powers dwarfing those of professor Xavier who was believed to be the earths strongest telepath. He once wiped the minds of everyone on earth about his existence. He supposedly even beat the omnicient being Galactus to a standstill which is virtually impossible. He can even bring beings back to life. According to Ironman, he has no physical weaknesses. He also can emit an energy that was strong enough to sooth an enraged Hulk. His senses are so acute that he can hear a butterfly’s heartbeat in Africa while he is in New York. He was ranked the earths strongest hero and claimed that he has the power of 1,000,000 exploding suns.

    Void is the alter ego of Sentry. His powers are equal and opposite to Sentry’s and he derives his powers from darkness instead of light.
    Akhenaten was granted his powers by the celestials. His power is so great that it surpassed Even Odin’s in all aspects and he can create any effect he can imagine.

    Abraxas A cosmic being of great power. Omniscient.

    Terminus is a creation by a dying alien race to seek revenge on the celestials. Though it’s power does not equal that of the celestials or other omniscient beings, it does house great power and has fought the entire X-men roster alone.

    High Evolutionary was born a human, but he has evolved exponentially. His intellect is so great that it surpasses even the likes of Reed Richards and Doctor Doom. His intellect is just below the level of omniscient beings such as Galactus. In fact though his powers do not equal that of Galactus’s, he has fought him before and has battled on par with Apocalypse.

    Hyperion posses powers on par with semi-omniscient beings such as Thor or Gladiator. His physical strength is greater than that of Thor yet inferior to the likes of Hulk. His durability is great enough to be completely unharmed by the Human Torch’s Nova blast confined to a very small space. He possesses super-human speed and senses

    Quasar possesses vast cosmic powers including cosmic awareness,cosmic blasts,matter manipulation,interstellar flight etc.

  • The Presence is the DC comics version of the Judeo-Christian God. It is the highest being in their very complex religious cosmology which includes a second tier of “gods” such as the New Gods, Greek Gods, Hindu Gods, etc. Although it has been described as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent; it has also been mentioned as having appeared at some point after the beginning of reality as we know it. This ambiguity lowers The Presence’s ranking as it is generally credited with the creation of only one universe (DC), thus it may or may not be the original creator.
    Imperiex is the DC Comics version of Galactus. A being whose plan was to hasten the end of the universe by collapsing galaxies into super black holes and create a new, perfect universe with the corresponding release of energy. Imperiex wields near omnipotent power derived from the big bang and has been described as an energy being requiring a material shell. It has shown the ability to project immensely powerful energy blasts and exert its will through a near infinite supply of “probes” which are capable of annihilating entire planets.
    A-M is the embodiment of all the anti-matter in existence. This makes him a threat to the entire omniverse through his near limitless cosmic powers. It has been alluded that his purpose was to eliminate all matter in the omniverse, leaving only anti-matter behind. This would essentially make him “God”. Anti-Monitor has shown the ability to absorb entire universes, manipulate matter and energy on a cosmic scale and transform the very essence of reality.
    Darkseid is worshipped as an “anti-god”. He is a supreme conqueror who is one of the greatest threats to the DC universe as he seeks to control all living beings. Darkseid is capable of unleashing unimaginable amounts of energy through his “Omega Effect” beam. He is also immortal and has displayed immeasureablee levels of strength, stamina, endurance, and mental abilities.
    Spectre is a supernatural ghost like entity that possesses mortals to manifest judgement. He is capable of battling foes like the Anti-Monitor and is one of the most powerful magical entities in the dc universe.
    Libra has a machine he could use to ‘balance’ things, and he used it to absorb half the powers of each of the Justice League members. He defeated them easily and would have killed them all, except that he got the bright idea of trying to absorb half of the Milky Way galaxy.
    In terms of abilities and raw power, the Composite Superman was one of the most powerful enemies Superman and Batman ever faced. In addition to all of Superman’s powers (derived from Supergirl), the Composite Superman’s strength and invulnerability levels were three times as powerful as Superman’s because Legionnaires Mon-El and Ultra Boy were invulnerable and possessed super-strength. The Composite Superman also possessed numerous special powers, derived from various Legion members:
    • The ability to grow to giant size (Colossal Boy)
    • The ability to shrink (Shrinking Violet)
    • The ability to divide into 3 people (Triplicate Girl)
    • The ability to fire lightning bolts (Lightning Lad)
    • The ability to generate heat and light (Sun Boy)
    • The ability to make things super-lightweight (Light Lass)
    • The ability to make things super-heavy (Star Boy)
    • The ability to consume absolutely anything (Matter-Eater Lad)
    • The ability to turn invisible (Invisible Kid)
    • The ability to inflate into a large ball (Bouncing Boy)
    • The ability to stretch any part of his body (Elastic Lad)
    • The ability to shapeshift (Chameleon Boy)
    • Telepathy (Saturn Girl)
    • 12th level intelligence (Brainiac 5)
    • Magnetic powers (Cosmic Boy)
    • X-ray vision that could see through anything, even lead (Ultra Boy)
    • The ability to transmute elements (Element Lad)
    • The ability to phase through solid matter (Phantom Girl)

    one of their best is Doomsday, who was created through the cloning of an infant and having it killed over and over again by one of the most dangerous species of the universe and in one of the harshest habitats in existence, prehistoric Krypton. As such, the infant evolves and returns to life, becoming resistant or immune to whatever killed it before. After the Radiant killed him the first time they fought, Doomsday grew immune to the former’s energy-projection, and even managed to withstand Darkseid’s full Omega-Effect.[6] The amount of damage dealt to Doomsday determines the length of time it would take to fully recover. During his outwardly undamaged death at Superman’s hands, he only needed some days to recover, but when Imperiex reduced him to a skeleton, it would take months. His entombment in a Calatonian burial suit and metal vault lasted thousands of centuries: after being killed by the Radiant and subsequently undergoing the impact of the casket on Earth, his body was sealed underground in total darkness. Deprived of solar energy, he could only revive extremely slowly.

    Doomsday can also develop/evolve resistance from ordinary injuries. Superman once used a sound gun to greatly discomfort him, but Doomsday’s auditory canals closed up, making him impervious to Superman’s weapon.[6] Waverider once paralyzed Doomsday with chronal energy, but the second attempt backfired.[6] In essence, Doomsday gradually turns more invulnerable if not injured beyond his ability to recover, which is so far undefined. Doomsday has also developed weapons and abilities that counters the powers of an opponent. He managed to cancel out the pure-energy Radiant by slamming into him; to greatly extend his claws and develop a poison to strike Superman in flight and reel him in;[6] or breathe flames against the fire-sensitive Martian Manhunter, and apparently neutralize his defensive phase-shifting power.[7] Doomsday’s skeleton protrudes through his skin in razor-sharp spurs which provide protection to his few vital organs (brain, eyes, nervous system), and act as clawlike weapons on his hands, elbows, and knees.

    Doomsday possesses extreme physical strength that, variable as it is, at one point enabled him to effortlessly stand his ground against the entire Justice League, including Superman and Orion.[8] He was able to break Superman’s left arm with limited effort, as well as outmatch and beat Darkseid unconscious in physical combat.[6] However, his strength has limits: the immensely strong Calatonian alloy cables, in which he was entombed, continued to partially restrain during his initial rampage on Earth. It was never stated how long he had struggled to free his left hand before his escape.

    Doomsday is immensely resistant to heat, cold, and conventional damage, allowing him to survive on the most inhospitable worlds, or in the vacuum of space. His durability was able to withstand Darkseid´s full-powered “Omega Effect” without any shown damage.[6]

    Doomsday possesses seemingly inexhaustible stamina, and was not noticeably slowed down from fighting Superman for an entire day. His speed and agility are vastly disproportionate to his bulky stature, and has been able to match Superman in this regard. He cannot fly, but rather travels by leaping miles at a time. Superman took advantage of this in their first battle by trying to keep him airborne, as the sky was his element.

    Doomsday has a highly accelerated healing factor that allows him to quickly regenerate from most damage. When his side was cut by Superman with a plasma sword, it closed within moments. As a result of his engineering, Doomsday does not need to eat, drink, breathe, or sleep, and his body is almost solid mass with few vulnerable organs.[6]

    Doomsday is now genetically part-Kryptonian due to his genes having been spliced with Kal-El’s, however with the exception of his flame-breath, he has displayed no additional abilities. In fact, he was shown weaker than previously when he was singlehandedly beaten by Superman. This was rationalized as due to intelligence that he developed, causing him to fear the death that awaited him if he lost, but does not explain how a simple minor concussion could incapacitate his healing factor for the time he remained unconscious.[7] However, he lost his intelligence when sent back in time, reverting him to his original state of fearlessness.[citation needed]

    Once he gained some of Superman’s Kryptonian DNA, he became susceptible to Kryptonite. Unlike Superman, it causes him pain, but cannot kill him.[citation needed] This was done to render him controllable.

    During his confrontation with Steel, Doomsday spontaneously developed the power of flight, and the ability to cover his body with metallic armor, capable of resisting even Steel’s paralysing nanites.

  • There is way too much in Marvel in DC to fairly gauge both I’ll name a bunch of Marvel characters for instance cause I know Marvel a lot better

    Sentry, Hulk, Thor, Loki, Dr Doom, Fantastic Four, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver, Nova, Colossus, Barron Zemo, Captain America, Punisher, Dr. Strange, Juggernaut, Namor, Super Skrull, Magneto, Spider-Man, Venom, Green Goblin, Iron Man, Mandrin, Fin Fang Foom, Absorbing Man, Wrecking Crew, Kang the Conqueror, Thanos, Silver Surfer, Bullseye, Hawkeye, Ms Marvel, Kingpin, Spider-Woman, Ghost Rider, Blackheart, Mephisto, Hercules, Odin, Dark Phoenix, Galactus, Eternity, Beyonder, Molecule Man, Living Tribunal, Death, the Celestials, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Ego the Living Planet, Ultron, Enchantress, Black Bolt, War Machine, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Deathbird, Cable, Mystique, Apocalypse, Mr Sinster,Shuma-Gorath, Dormammu, Baron Mordo, Adam Warlock, Mad Jim Jasper, Psylocke, Wiccan, Black Panther, Doc Ock, Mysterio, Vision, Hank Pym, Whirlwhind, Abomination, Moon Knight, Terrax, Tyrant, the Stranger, Nick Fury, Shadowcat, Emma Frost,Hela, Ares, Sif, Deadpool, She-Hulk, the list goes on.

    Same idea with DC the list is endless we could debate all year

  • Nice logic Silencer, you make a serious point. Un Marveler’s will always lean towardsMarvel and the DC’ers will lean towards DC, so it’s a wash, endless debate with both sides makingthier point. I can say if Superman and Jon Jonzz fought and the Hulk and The Silver Surfer, it would never end, the carnage would be ridiculous. Nice way to bring some finality to the debate.

  • I’m sorry everyone but have you heard Spawn? I’m pretty sure he alone could take on all of Marvel and DC with ease. I think when he became the omega spawn he would destroy everyone with ease. End of story.

  • The Marvel heroes suck now because Disney bought them think about it. Marvel can’t really punch as they used to they’re weak cause of disney. D.C vs Marvel/Disney who would win. D.C they’re more organised, smart tough, and when Marvel comes The Joker, Lex Luthor, Darksaid, Gorrila Grodd, and Brainiac are going to have some fun. Plus There’s Batman supersmart, has lots of gadgets, never really has died, martial art skills, and can beat the Hulk by jumping over him get some blood and easily find a cure. Then there’s the Green Lantern core will be able to destroy almost everything. Also Has anybody remembered how many diffeerent universes are in D.C more than 50 different alternate universes. And I remember that All of D.Cs Villains and Heroes team up to save the world. The Joker drives around in the streets of New York Joker Gassed some of Marvels Best Heroes and Vilains.

  • this would be a hard fight but Detective would be prevalent. The Presence stalemates with Theoneaboveall, The Monitor takes out Living Tribunal, The Sourec takes out Galactus, Spectre takes out Thanos, and Amazo solos the rest of Marvel!

  • Marvel would win, I know all of you DC fans say no but think batman keeps supermans weakness in his bat cave and when superman met Charles superman would be taken over and have any of you for got gene gray or aka the scarlet witch she evaporated Charles and she can do the same to batman superman and anyone else that got in her way, now back to Charles taking over superman batman would kill superman because of of supermans weakness and then DC has lost their best hitter and now DC has their best gone and has to deal with the scarlet witch and if any DC tryed to kill her they would lose their life im sorry but their is no way DC could win this fight, and i know you think that the scarlet witch will get out of control but when all the DC heroes were gone wolverine would kill her like he did before the only person able to kill her is wolverine so their is no way that DC can win and i know all you DC fans have your opinions but this is something you can not say no to because the scarlet witch could not kill wolverine how is your DC heroes going to kill him you DC people will disagree but in this i agree that in the end it will come down to who will write it if DC writes it DC wins if Marvel Writes Marvel wins but think it is an unfair fight if i was in DC i would write Marvel to win because they have more ways to take everyone of your heroes down and again i am sorry to all of those DC fans that think im wrong and Marvel will lose badly but if you have not seen the scarlet witch in action you need to look her up and you will change your mind because she destroys all it might take a sec or two but she can destroy the whole world in a matter of minutes and the only reason that wolverine was able to kill her was his regenerating power if it had not for that he would have died and then Marvel would be gone. Oh and the punisher thing if you think punisher can kill wolverine you are crazy wolverine is to fast can, smell the punisher a mile away and can set up before punisher could even get half a mile to wolverine punisher is meant for non super people he couldn’t kill any super people, and wolverine can not beat Hulk in less hulk changed back into professor Bruce Banner im a big fan of wolverine but i a have to say hulk could not be killed by wolverine in till he turned back to Bruce Banner but hulk could not kill Wolverine ether Marvel would ultimately win because wolverine and Scarlet witch.DC (if Scarlet witch was not in Marvel) would have a 50/50 chance to win if she was not there.

  • well, there are some things you seem to be leaving out. X’s telepathy is okay, but J’onn J’onnzz (Martian Manhunters is WAY better. He once made contact with every mind on earth just to find someone, and he didn’t need cerebrus. Richards is smart, but there are a ton of people in dc smarter than him. Brainiac 5 for instance. Since he’s kind of from far off into the future, and is super-genius there (twelth level inteligence). The stuff he deals with has never even been seen by richards. Not to mention the fact that reedrelies on such losers like his team, no offense. Brainiac 5’s team needed help, so he went back in time and got superman like it was nothing. There are also tons of DC people if not equivilant, very adequate opponents for the surfer. For one thing, there’s captain atom, firestorm, maybe the entire green lantern core, darksied, and maybe dr. fate, to name a few. Sorry, but I’m kind of starting to get tired of the surfer, he is kind of cheap. Also, I agree with you, Silencer.

  • Here’s my take on this debate:

    The first comment posted towards this debate was on 02-24-10. I read through portions of this and see TONS of repeat information.

    Nobody is making me lean more towards DC or Marvel, and there’s probably a reason for this. DC and Marvel may be similar in ways (such as the alien races and god-like superhero’s), but I don’t think they are similar enough to compare who is better.

    A example that backs up what I just said:

    Look at the mortal superhero’s Spiderman and Batman -Spiderman and Batman both hide their identity and are known to work well by themselves as well as with a team. Spiderman rolls deep in New York City (obviously a real place) and Batman rolls deep in Gotham City (obviously not a real place). It may not be a big deal, but think about how big of a difference that is.

    You’re only going to get fans sticking up for their preferred comic brand. Now I could go into more detail in order to back up my opinion, however I think you can see where I’m coming from.

    So here’s what I think: every DC comic needs its Marvel comic, and every Marvel comic needs its DC comic. It’s a draw – ’nuff said.

  • I explained a long time ago, and in detail, why Marvel objectively wins this based on the highest characters of both universe. No-one has been able to dispute my claim, because it is based on nothing else than factual information. I’ll therefore repeat myself: Marvel wins. Scroll up to my previous posts if you need to learn why.

  • well you need to read and learn that scarlet witch killed alot of people with out really using her full power and if she saw superman or the x guy she would just make him evaporate into thin air and he would be no more and then the rest of marvel shall kill and demolish all DC in their way and every time one DC member tried to kill her they would die before they got 20 feet away and she can only be killed by wolverine because of his regeneration power and if you managed to kill all of the marvel characters except for her you would still lose if you even if you had all of your people left i know you think that DC can win but you got listen scarlet witch will kill all DC because of scarlet witch i know you wont listen but that is what will happen you have your opinion but i already know that Marvel would win and if you cant handle that DC will win then dont post anything because i already know that marvel wins and I know that other DC fans that knows about scarlet witch knows that DC will not win you might get close but you will not win i know that DC has strong hitters masterminds and smart guys but you wont have a chance if you go against scarlet witch if scarlet witch was not their DC would win i give you that but sense scarlet witch is not gone you will lose i am sorry to disappoint all you DC fans reading this but you will lose and hulk DC has a good team but if they cant kill scarlet witch how are they going to win because they can get killed by her but they can not kill her i know you know and everyone else knows that scarlet witch will defeat DC but you want to argue about it thinking that you will change my mind because it wont and that is that dude im sorry if your mad but i just told you the reason why Marvel wins if it was not true and Marvel was not going to in then i would have told you DC will win but they will not win they have good, skilled, and talented fighters but they cant beat scarlet witch o.k. if you believe that DC will win then post it and ill tell you how you are wrong

  • Luke,

    Don’t hate the Surfer is stronger than Superman and flies circles around him, Supes flie near the speed of light, Surfer flies lightyears in mere seconds. Remember a light year is 9.5 trillion KM, nuff said!

  • Look dude, I know. We already established that surfer can beat superman. Stating how much faster he is than superman doesn’t really help me dislike him any less. He is the most overpowered hero I know. He can basically do anything. It doesn’t take too long to get tired of that.

  • So marvel wins lol and I agree surfer is a boring hero impossible to defeat and scarlet witch is the same thing.

  • Luke,

    You are right, he is ridiculously strong, no contest; so what really is the point? I feel you, now let’s get back to the Hulk and Superman.

  • Luke,

    Here’s a good quote from the unstoppable Green Giant,

    “Then why do you suddenly look scared? Maybe you see that you could be ten times stronger than Hulk, and it still would not matter. Not when all Hulk has to do is become ten times as mad!!
    — Savage Hulk”

    This is why I give Superma his props but he would lose. He’s as strong as he is going to be, all the Hulk has to do is become madder, then it’s over.

  • Lot of people might not know this but Superman is not Immune to pure magic, Doctor Strange could kick his @$$,(no offence guys) I love the big guy to death, but he’s not as invincible as he might seem, he’s definatly “as fast as a speeding bullet”.

  • My top 5 for both universes (excluding villians and magic b/c its cheap):
    DC- Supes, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Flash, GL
    Marvel- Sentry, Phoenix, Charles Xavier, Hulk, Silver Surfer

    In my opinion the power of 1,000,000,000 exploding suns out does one krypton powered by one non exploding sun. Charles Xavier would cripple Wonder Woman to one neuron screaming in pain for eternity, Phoenix eats oa and GL is reduced to nothing, hulk vs captain marvel? Hulk rips him into pieces, getting angrier and angrier as little billy screams shazam and rains lightening bolts and the green machine to no avail. And flash? Silver surfer would be rid of him without even a wave of his hand. In my opinion.

  • Alright let me finish this MARVEL WOULD WIN. Sorry Dc not really alright reason #1 We have S.H.I.E.L.D. this is war you need an army and where is your army if S.H.I.E.L.D. isnt enough we can call in the Skrull, Kree, Shi’ar, Atlanteans, or any of the other 178 alien races (And YES I COUNTED) or the heroes from the other 1789001 dimensions. Mostly unmentioned, then while your heroes are setting up shop we can pick you off one by one like superman and like many people said before we have way more heroes so we can attack you four or five at a time and for your golden boy superman im thinking Thor, Gladiator, WWHulk, and Silver Surfer. Now next would be bats how about the Plack Panther, Captain America Punisher, and Moon Knight and if thats not enough bring in S.H.I.E.L.D. tranq him and take him to prison 42 like Superman next would be Doomsday and Amazo taking them on would be Venom and Carnage and its not the villains im talking about but the symbiotes themselves because if they manage to get onto doomsday(and im thinking Carnage for him venom for amazo) then they can control them and turn them onto the Dc(lets not forget what they can do like;
    Superhuman strength.
    Superior speed and agility, enhances other physical attributes as well.
    Enhanced durability and resistance to damage.
    Genetic memory, recalling information from previous hosts.
    Enhanced healing ability.
    The ability to negate damage caused by terminal illnesses and permanent injuries, but not actually heal it. For example, Eddie Brock was able to survive indefinitely with terminal cancer, and Scott Washington was able to walk despite being paraplegic.
    Can expand to any size as long as they have something to grow on such as a host or an object. Symbiotes can get inside of small areas such as electric wires and the insides of cars and completely disable them.
    The symbiote also reacts to the thoughts and will of the host. When Spider-Man was originally selected, he had been thinking about Spider-Woman’s costume in the Secret Wars. The symbiote acted on this and formed a similar costume, the one seen on him and Venom.
    The following are functions that have been demonstrated from various hosts’ wills (but are not limited to):

    The ability to form fangs or simple bladed weapons out of their limbs.
    The ability to form tendrils from their body
    The ability to shape-shift, from mimicking clothing up to and including complete change of appearance, stature and bodly dimensions (since that simbiotes are living tesseracts).
    The ability to stick to walls (adapted from Spider-Man).
    The ability to produce webbing from its own mass (adapted from Spider-Man).
    The Venom symbiote also has empathic abilities, and is able to project desires and needs into the thoughts of its host or potential hosts.
    This ability can also aid Venom in detecting the truth from those he interrogates.
    Can sense the presence of other beings within a certain distance.
    Symbiote bonding protects the host from Ghost Rider’s penance stare.
    Venom and its descendants all possess the ability to bypass the Spider-Sense (because the original symbiote was attached to Peter first, it took his genetic information and spider-powers. This means that the symbiote attacking Peter would essentially be Peter attacking himself, which wouldn’t set off his Spider-Sense; during the Clone Saga, this became complicated, as Venom did set off Ben Reilly’s Spider-Sense, but Carnage apparently did not).
    The ability to create storage portals inside of them (this created easy access to Peter’s camera).
    Each symbiote has their own unique ability, such as Carnage being able to see from every direction of his body (this is similar to Spider-Man’s spider sense).
    In some realities, Venom’s symbiote has been shown to be able to replicate.)
    If they can’t they can just drain their life force. So your move Dc’ers.

  • But how long would it take for him to get mad enough to get to that strength level? If someone one hundred thousand times stronger than hulk, with the intent to kill him, how could hulk survive long enough to reach the required strength level? In my eyes, someone like Doomsday or Superboy Prime could best him. And if you argue that Hulk is stronger than Doomsday, then let me tell you this. The marvel heroes couldn’t deal with Hulk, so they blasted him into space. The DC heroes couldn’t deal with doomsday, so they put trapped him at the end of time, and he STILL managed to escape.

  • Luke,

    You make it seem as though Superman will just level the Hulk without sweating, look at the cross over mag where DC’s artists allowed Superman to get back to his feet and put the Hulkdown, just like te Hulk initially ddto Superman; Suoerman said “It took everything I had to just put him down.” In a real fight we would really see whowould win, i think it would be a draw because bothof these guys are freakishly strong and neitherwould ever concede. I would love to see Marvel’s four strongest against DC’s four strongest. Hulk, Silver Surfer, Thor and the Mighy Hercules VS. Superman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern. Do you agree with the strongest of both mags?

    Last night I watche Superman and Shazam VS. Black Adam, and let me tell you Superman was literally no match for Black Adam; any comments? I understand magic is in play here from Black Adam.

  • well even thought i like dc more then i like marvel itz just that half of dc charcters human with the power to beat people very stonger then them. for example my favorite dc charcter is the all time dark knight aka batman. batman has beaten people alot stonger then him can you tell. like when he fought maxie zeus. maxie zeus has the same power as the power ful god zeus. but batman is the best to me. mavel has so great ones i like . like wolevine and hulk and nightclawler theres some good one that you might be intertesing to you.

  • the eternity. end of discussion.
    as for superman vs hulk, ill have to admit that hulk cant get mad enough fast enough if superman opens the fight, but if hes mad enough to match his strenght, he would kill superman. even if the battle was to last decades, the hulk doesnt grow tired but superman has limited energy. his surface can only take so much energy from the sun, so im pretty sure hes running on pre-charged power whenever he does what he does.

  • As for all of the beings below Hulk’s power, one of the Green Lanterns can control him and Shehulk (they can control green matter) to beat the shit out of of all of them. There goes most of the Marvel Universe. As of everybody below Beyonder, Living Tribunal, Theoneaboveall, and Phoenix, which is everybody else, Amazo can stalemate with them simply by looking at them. Now, the Presence is stalemated with Theoneaboveall which results in a tie of omnipotence of both worlds. Or the Monitor, who can stalemate Theoneaboveall and Presence, can beat Beyonder and the Antimonitor at the same level of Monitor can destroy Living Tribunal and Phoenix at the same time. Or, Superman Prime One Million with the Sword of Superman can stalemate White Crown Phoenix. That being said, it is a tie of omnitpotence leaning slightly toward the edge of Detective Comics. In theory, Detective Comics is more overall powerful, but omnipotence against omnipotence= total tie 😉

  • priscillo, I established several posts above that Marvel wins this based on the top characters from both universes. There is no “tie of omnipotence” (and it’s certainly not leaning towards DC) because Marvel has way more characters at the highest levels than DC.

  • priscillo,

    I think you are giving The Green Lantern Corp too much credit, the Silver Surfer could handle the entire GL Corp by himself,so saying the GL corp has control over green matter makes no sense because The Hulk is just too powerful. He is one of the most powerful beings ever, so you have to strengthen your argument.

  • @Andre Sorry, I’m not trying to say that hulk would just instantly lose to hulk, I’m just saying that I think Supes would eventually win, though I pity whatever planet they fight on. That being said, I’m not enrirely sure how reliable some crossovers are. In one they had wolverine beating lobo and venom beating superman. by th way, when you say Shazam, do you mean Captain Marvel? Sometimes it’s confusing, since Marvel has both a shazam and a Captain Mar-Vell. Anyway, yeah, a fight between those eight would probably cause mass destruction. And as for Black Adam beating superman, yeah, one of Supermans three main weaknesses is magic, and since Adam has that whole SHAZAM! thing, it’s usually a problem for supes. Captain marvel is usually the one who fights him, their powers being so similar. Also, I wouldn’t say that Surfer could handle the entire GLC. If you reaserch a bit, you’ll know that some of the stuff they’ve got is pretty tough. There’s Mogo, a sentient planet with a green lantern power ring, Sodam Yat, supposedly the best GL ever (Jordan is still better IMO), who is basically Superman-lite with a power ring. He also has the power of Ion. The Ion power has been passed around between many different lanterns, and pretty much boosts their power hundreds of times over. Hal Jordan had the power of the Spectre at one point, that’s nothing to sneeze at. And finally, there are the Gaurdians of the universe, Beings of immense power who head the Green Lantern Core. All these guys thrown together with a bunch of decent GLs, and Surfer is in trouble. A power ring is the universe’s best weapon ever, with many of them together, they can duplicate many of Surfer’s powers, including time travel.

    @priscillo
    Yeah, if you want to use the older version of the GLs, nowadays the writers took that power out, along with the whole weakness to yellow(thank goodness). However, there are many different ways that they could beat hulk. Robbing him of oxygen, throwing him into space or the sun, etc.) Finally, all this talk of power rings and the Hulk makes me wonder.. What do you guys think would happen if hulk got his hands on a RED lantern power ring? It would pretty much be over for everyone at that point.

  • Luke, you forget that the Hulk can breathe in space and he can withstand the heat of the Sun. The Hulk with a Red power ring, he’salready unstoppable, wow!

  • DC NIGGAS!!! ONLY if it includes DR.MANHATTAN from the the DC comics. Dr. Manhattan can replicate himself as much as he wants and has the power to turn ppl into gooo. He also has the power to teleport and create massive nuclear explosions. There is no debate here. he cannot be beaten

  • hulk has been killed by spider man before in the comics he has snapped the hulks neck he might be strong but his neck is easily snapped

  • Marvel would win!!!!!!!!!! The dc universe is not as populated as the Marvel universe. Marvel has more hard core knock your teeth out characters while dc lacks that spunk. The X-Men take up 1/3 Marvels population and the Avengers are another 1/3 and the left overs are solo acts and other small teams. DC has the JLA which are the main heros the JSA and teen titans and some other solo and small groups. Marvel and DC both would fight till the end but I see Superman, Wolverine, Phoenix, Super Girl, Wonder Woman and maybe the Hulk left standing duking it out. But even then Phoenix would just got bitch mode and ablaze the whole planet and destroy the universe.

  • everyone on here has made their arguments/statements now let me lay it out for you. there is no way you can pick a winner. if you look both Marvel and DC have omnipotent characters. i mean yeah alot of the characters you guys have brought up can do alot of damage but you have to look up and do your homework most of you have turned it into an argument over hulk vs. superman. i mean seriously guys both side technically have characters that cannot be defeated short lists Marvel: any character based off a god thor, ares, zues, pluto, ect. galactus, the silver surfer, i mean marvel has alot going for them. DC: Dominus, Doctor Fate, Ammon-Ra, Spectre, Black Adam and Captain Marvel. All the characters listed above should they enter the fight are unbeatable therefore the fight never ends meaning neither side can win. also only wally west as the flash can vibrate throught objects causing them to explode. the other 3 flashes couldn’t do that.

  • they have a comic for this, i only know of one fight though. The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman. the Hulk won because he is a BA. suck it nerds

  • i think that marvel would win hands down i mean superman is bogus and he is a phony there is no explanation to his laser eyes and cold breath i mean were dos he get it from but the strength and speed is explainable the gravity on krypton is like 10000000000 times the gravity on earth but back to what i was saying the marvel universe has way more heroes than the DC universe and by a uneven fight marvel would win i mean the marvel powers are stronger and they have a wider range with their powers its like the marvel powers are more creative and marvel would win they should make a show about it and you will seeeee

  • priscillo, I established several posts above that Marvel wins this based on the top characters from both universes. There is no “tie of omnipotence” (and it’s certainly not leaning towards DC) because Marvel has way more characters at the highest levels than DC.

  • Marvel would win. DC is good and has a lot of good fighters but when it comes down to it Marvel characters are just killers. Some say Superman would whip the Hulk; sure Superman is very strong, I mean come on he actually pushed the planet Earth, but Hulk’s feats include: smashing the indestructible metal adamantium, breaking space-time barrier with 2 punches, pushing spheres of matter and anti-matter apart, destroying an asteroid twice the size of Earth, threatened to destroy a planet by the sheer output of his force, and send concussive forces throughout countless dimensions. And Superman can regenerate due to yellow sun radiation, however if an extreme physical force such as a blow from Hulk can actually kill him due to the fact if an extremely strong person can beat him fast enough that his body can’t use the radiation as done in Doomsday. Sure there are other heroes from DC but Hulk along with others from Marvel could beast everyone in DC.

    Now if we didn’t include Hulk, Juggernaut, Thor, Superman, Wonderwoman, or any god-like being then I’d lean more towards a stand still

  • i think that marvel would win this round because they have phoenix, i mean, she could just send lead into everyone’s heart and BOOM, they are dead. as for any self-healers, just watch juggernaut and any other super strength people DESTROY them. plus if you counted how DC has more then one flash (only fags would count that) calypso is another super speed person other than quiksilver. and the red hood, only batman freaks would know him, would rebel against everyone of DC’s people and he has all of Batmans talents, toys, and determination. in the end, marvel would pwn

  • Look, DC had Dr. Manhattan, he is like Xavier, but knows all time, DC had Dr.Fate, who is equal to Dr. Strange, and DC had batman, who is one of the smartest superheros, well trained(even trained to block telepathy), and is a great detective and strategist. He knows enough to beat every1 in DC, and can probably do the same to any and everyone in Marvel.

  • DC wins easily no questions asked. Superman, Batman, Flash/Bart allen, Flash/Wally West, Wonder Woman, Darkseid, Superboy Prime, Doomsday, Superman Prime, Captain Marvel, Pre crises Superman, all green lanterns excluding everyone else would defeat the marvel universe. Not even Galactus, Silver Surfur, Hulk and Doom could do a thing about it.

  • In a knockdown, drag out fight to the death between Marvel universe and Dc universe, who would win? This is one of the oldest unanswered questions around. Most people pick their favorite characters and side with them; others actually use statistics when coming to their own personal conclusions. The fact is because of a number of reasons this fight of a life time could go either way. For example, Dc’s numbers could easily be enough to win. On the other hand the fact that ninety nine percent of marvel characters are human is enough to lose.

  • Andrew, the Silver Surfer will handle Dr. Manhattan with no problem, you have to come stronger than that chief!

  • What about Scarlet Witch? her power is basically that of deus ex machina. Whatever she wishes happens so she could wish for all DC forces to die. granted when she wished for all mutants to lose their powers some escaped her wrath, but with the sudden loss of most of their force DC would be overrun by Marvel forces. With characters like Apocalypse, the Hulk, Carnage, Galactus and the rest of the Marvel line up mopping up the remaining DC forces wouldn’t be too hard.

  • how about putting some of alternative universes into the fight? I think if that were to happen,marvel would win simply because of the ZOMBIES, they are nearly invincible and can only be killed if their brains are neutralized, not to mention that they can infect they other DC heroes by a mere bite, even superman will be carvinng for brains when this is over

  • i respect all of u guys comments but, you are forgetting one thing dc super heroes don’t kill people! Wolverine on the other hand is ex military, and will have problem carving up the dc universe, and I mention is indestructible and the only one with the powers to take him out is in the marvel universe. And did we forget professor x. He has the power to take over every. And what about Jean grey the phoenix. Tony stark will embarrass Bruce Wayne, and what about the god Thor. And for flash, did u forget about quick silver! And what about the hulk. He gets stronger with every blow. So superman can take as many shot with his eye beam, cold breath, super speed and strength and shove cause at the end of the he first have what it takes to take down anyone. So at the end it would be Marvel. Oh before I forget the green lanteren would get his ass handed to him by the silver surfer! So yeah shout to MARVEl

  • DC definitely wins!!….hulk can be defeated by superman
    I know Marvel universe is much well known and has a wide variety of heroes and villains but so does DC I mean they have the JLA JLE JLI JSA any many more any plus if we really put everyone I there Dc has also Greek gods(much better than marvels) the Amazons,,,the whole Thanagarian army,,,the 7 Green Lantern Corps,,,the Krypytonians….teen titans,young justice and legion of superheroes and Project Cadmus that’s a lot….and I bet x-men,avengers young avengers,namors army,sorcerers supreme etc. Couldn’t beat them and DC universe has thousands of villains…just think of Batmans villains that’s alot….and we have lots of sorcerers and magic guys too

  • Correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t it possible for Franklin Richards (Marvel) to simply poof all of the DC heroes out of existence? Or at the very least create another pocket universe, will all the DC characters into it, then just poof that out of existence? I’m probably wrong seeing as i’m fairly new to superhero comics, but it would be really nice if someone with more knowledge than I were to explain how the kid might factor into this war.

  • @ Ezio

    DC may have all those groups, but what happens when the Marvel symbiote (Carnage, Venom) infects them? I\’ll tell you. They\’ll become mindless Marvel monsters.

  • I would think Marvel has some major advantages against DC.For one Galactus could consume the energy of the sun draining Superman’s powers.Also if DC predicted this with some other Superhuman their would only be a few Marvel Heroes who could fly into space and cover Galactus.Onslaught however could take out most of the DC Superhumans.For one he could sence their auroras and his powers match Xaviers and Magnetos.Since we all know he has both of their life sources combined.DC Also has Advantages as I said.Bizzaro opposite of Superman even if Galactus engulfed the sun’s energy he would still be able to defeat most of the Marvel Heroes.That’s my thoughts thank you for reading Bye.

  • Continued, Thanos and Apocalypse are also major rivals who can maybe compare to Superman’s strength. Blackbolt – Is Moon based currently but makes voyages to earth time and again. Electron whisper/screams capable of knocking out the Hulk and ripping holes into reality, diverse powerups of his electron powers give him a big edge. Blackbolt I have entered his description if this is true he could defeat Bizzaro.My Galactus plan proceeding if nothing else had stopped them like Green Lantern in return is a very powerful DC hero as is.Thank you I will learn more sooner or later in my studies.So I may decide who should win by calculating the odds.

  • Well, if you want to use venom and carnage, then what about DC’s Black Lanterns? Every single character that is dead or has died and come back in the marvel universe will rise again, can constantly and instantly regenerate any injury, as well as having the ability to fly, if they can’t already, of course. Also, they will be forced to serve Black Hand, who is by the way, a dc. That is quite a few characters, almost everyone.

  • how about The Eternals, The Asgardians, World War Hulk thrashed almost all of Marvel, he only stopped just because he wanted to, HIS STOMPED HIS FOOT INTO THE GROUND AND THE ENTIRE NORTH AMERICAN TECTONIC PLATE SHIFTED. Xavier when he turned into Onslaught wiped the floor with all the x-men, and most of Marvel. Sentry has the power of a thousand suns (Red suns included so bye bye Supey). There are so many alternate realities and different worlds and planets each with it’s own super-powered individuals, DC just doesn’t cut it , and by the way spiderman would thrash batman, peak human agility and strength doesn’t quite compare to superhuman agility and strength, gadgets or not (battarangs don’t really do much if you can sense them coming).

  • Unless you put a limit on who fights, its a definite tie. There are just too many overpowered god like beings in both universes. But if you got rid of characters like the Beyonder and Galactus, I believe Marvel would win.
    First there’s the Hulk ( im referencing world war Hulk). He is the most powerful hero in the Marvel universe, excluding the god beings. He can resist and defeat any mental assailants, overpower any other physical combatant, and is sturdy enough that super fast characters could not move him or damage him enough to make a difference. He could definitely defeat Superman, as his strength is limitless. Superman could do some good damage in the beginning, but the longer they fought, the stronger Hulk would get. And unlike other version of the Hulk, world war Hulk is not an idiot, he has banners intelligence. And for those of you who argue that Superman could calm him down, and then defeat him when he transformed into Banner, world war Hulk is one with Banner, and only transforms when he chooses too. So that argument is irrelevant. I think that the only DC hero with enough power to really damage him is the Flash, and any of the physics from Marvel could take him down before he did any real damage.

    Next on the list of Heroes is Wolverine. Wolverine can take down nearly any physical combatant on DC’s side, with the exceptions of Superman, Flash, and perhaps one or two more. He has an indestructible skeleton, claws that can pierce any substance, and an outrageous healing factor that can take away any damage dealt to him in a matter of minutes. Granted, many of the mental heroes could take him down however. But with allies like Charles Xavier, and Jean Gray fighting alongside him, that wouldn’t be an issue. ( chances are that they would fight together, being in the X-men and all)

    I have to go now, and cannot continue the list, but you get the idea. With characters like dr. strange and xavier, Marvel would win. Ill post more later.

  • Sorry marvel fans but I gotta go with DC. I was reading over previous posts and I agree with luke 100%. Amazo can copy anyones powers. Silver Surfer would be a big problem but There are smart guys in DC who can find a way to beat him. If they can’t find a way they can just bring Amazo in who can mimic SS exact powers and mimic every other peson’s power at the same time. I personally like DC better so I’m trying not to give a biased answer. I also know way more about DC so if there’s anything about Marvel I should know I would appreciate it if someone told me.

  • Like I said earlier I’m a DC fan, but lets give some examples:

    Superman vs Hulk
    Wonder Woman vs Elektra
    Flash vs Quicksilver
    Green Lantern vs Captain America
    Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer
    Hawkgirl vs Thor
    Batman vs Spiderman
    Plastic Man vs Mr.Fantastic
    Huntress vs Black Widow
    Fire vs Storm
    Green Arrow vs Wolverine

    I don’t know really anymore of Marvel characters so this is the best I could do. I could see Marvel winning some of these battles, BUT I haven’t listed some more powerful DC characters like Black Canary, Vixen, Atom Smasher, Captain Atom, Amazo, and Dr.Fate.

    In the end, the earth would be destroyed in the bloody war, but DC has the upperhand. Marvel characters Hulk, Thor, X-men, Silver Surfer, would be hard to destroy because of their battle expertise but would eventually be subdued.

  • I think Marvel wins because Wolverine is technically invincible his healing factor is too great and no matter how overpowered superman is wolverine takes the cake because Superman will use all of his powers but wolverine will still heal from it and wolverine’s admantium skeleton is indestructible because the only way to counter it is with the blade that takes his soul but superman wouldnt figure this out and superman gets countered by professor X because all he has to do is get into batman’s head figure out where the kryptonite is and give it to wolverine or jean and superman dies and plus Marvel has one super hero that solos against superman and that person is rogue. rogue will just touch superman and take his powers or kill him by touch and since superman’s weakness is his goodness she can just be like o superman im sorry and other crap superman will fall for it and rogue grabs him and kills him by touch. X- Men eliminate superman. Batman is easily taken down by jean grey because all she has to do is get into his head and mess him up or magneto attachs a whole bunch of metal to batman and he cant move so cyclops just blasts him and two of dcs heavy hitters are out. I think now that i think of it with spiderman the x-men solos on dc because every super hero from dc that you can think of x men have a counter. martian manhunter gets countered by jean grey or proffesor x cuz of cerebro and cerebro kills manhunter or pheonix beats manhunter in mind games and destroys him. i say marvel wins

  • It depends on what structure the teams take. A lot of you guys are going on strength alone, where this means MANY would never die (Wolverine, Deadpool, Hulk etc from Marvel, Superman, Doomsday, Darkseid from DC). I think it depends on the minds.

    Marvel has some great evil masterminds in Dr. Doom and Norman Osbourne, but I feel these could be out thought by a trio of Batman, Lex Luthor and Ra’s Al Ghul – all of whom could have limitless amount of pawns work for them.

    Someone perhaps overlooked for Marvel is Mephisto. Limitless power and master manipulator.

    In conclusion, I’m going with DC. Whilst Marvel have the power of Hulk, Thor and Wolverine, DC have this power in Doomsday, Bane, Croc, Superman, but the brains of Batman, Luthor, Brainiac and the king of taking down heroes; the Joker.

  • Hulk and Juggernaut together would give Superman a good fight. Then add in Thor, Silver Surfer, Fantastic 4, Mephisto, etc and it’s just super-overkill. Even though Dr. Manhattan alone could take out just about every Marvel character, he would struggle with the likes of Galactus. I do not know how Dr. M would to against Big G, but because G has all of his Superman-killer heralds to help him (Silver Surfer, Nova, Firelord, Tyrant, etc), the Doctor would lose.

    So basically Galactus and his heralds would own the entire DC universe, with a little help from Thor, Beta-Ray Bill, Hulk, Juggernaut, Thanos, Beyonder, etc. Also, don’t forget about the enteties that are almost at Galactus’s level such as Eternity, Death, the Elders, etc. Or someone could just pick up the Infinity Guantlet and destroy all the DC members with a snap of the fingers!

    Marvel pwns (but the likes of the X-Men wouldn’t really even be a factor).

  • All of you DC fans say x-men minus the professor. so lets discuss him, how can any hero in dc fight if the professor stops everyone in their tracks. And if you do kill him he can transport his mind into another body in limbo. Now what about the surfer and phoenix. Lets not foget surfer and phoenix have the power to de-atomize foes and phoenixs powers are limitless!

  • marvel. hands down. there are so many unbeatable marvel characters like hulk, deadpool, juggernaut, wolverine,thor,and sabertooth that could take superman out. once superman is out, its a done deal. dc would fall

  • Jared Martin
    May,29,2011
    I think DC would win this matchup. Even though, X-Men may be a issue i think, we can take out the proffessor with a well developed, telepath like Martian the Manhunter. An assain including Deadshot, can hunt down Wolverine,and Cyclops. Green Lantern can, crush Hulk when he is in human form,or when in Hulk form with a liitle Superman help. Wonder Woman is pretty manly for being a girl, also can kill some guys by hereself. Batman, with all his high-tec gear, and Robin help can equal the strength of Iron Man, and Spiderman combined. Who do you think can defeat Batman?

  • DC has strong will power. Braniac is a great mastermind, if he can almost beet Superman, I think he can defeat Hercules, and the Thing. Black Canary is great at hand to hand combat. She could easily take down Spiderwoman. JlA has some powerful warriors one there team.
    Batman
    Aquaman
    Red Tornado
    Green Arrow
    Hawkman/Hawkgirl
    Captain Marvel
    This can be a huge advantage for DC. These unique superhero’s, can create a huge hole in the Marvel roster. Blockbuster is a huge guy with incredible strength, and speed. He can take down a whole block by himself. He would equal Doctor Strange, The Red Skull, and Doctor Doom. What I am woriied about is Captain America, and Punisher. Captain America has seen many battles, and is a veteran fighter with this they can overwhelm DC. Punisher is a ruthless man that works for both sides, he dosen’t know when to quit. He could kill many of the DC roster. But, I found a plan to stop these two powerwhelming men. We can trick Punisher into killing Captin America, by leading him into a alley. Punisher would thimk it is Superman and blast him. Then Green Lantern can swoop down and defeat Punisher, easy, and well planned out. Then we can pick off the Thor. To get THor we need a team. I suppose, Hawkman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Clayface. Clayface could go to Thor as Flash, and lead him to an dock were Kileer croc lives. We jump him and throw his body in the water. If he movesKiller Croc, could kill him, then eat him.

  • OKay.
    DC is just, no. Marvel would so win, because they have background, and just not born “super”.,
    Like spiderman was bitten, and Iron Man put his suit together and did a bunch of reaseach.

    There. Short and simple. (:

  • I think we are ALL forgetting such powerful marvel beings such as Death, Eternity, and Infinity. No one, I don’t care what you can do, can take them on and walk away living.

  • Common! the black lantern rings will take all the heroes and bad guys from marvel so now DC has all the living and dead guys from DC PLUS the dead guys from Marvel!!!!!

  • I don’t think anyone has realized this but Superman can be taken down by Spiderman. Spiderman has put things like chemicals into his webbing before. If he put Kryptonite into his webbing then it’s the end for Superman, Super boy, Super girl and any other DC characters vunerable to Kryptonite. This also means that Thor would not die at the hands of Superman and could kill some DC people.

    Go Marvel!!

  • I may be wrong but I have seen many times people mention the mythic gods (aka. Norse and Greek) and every one (unless I missed it) seems to think Marvel is down the Greeks they are not. At one point a Greek hero Hercules takes Thor’s spot in the Avengers. and Thor him self fights Zeus. You guys also are comparing peoples powers that are far out (I admit I know less about dc) but the Dr.Fate and Dr.Strange comparison do you know the limits of strange? also with many characters it would matter what stage they were in because at one point the all powerful superman was nothing but energy while on marvel side thor had no powers at one point. Also when considering the fight you have to think who would and would not help the black lanterns would be out for themselves only not helpping and many marvel groups would fight you guys are talking like all heros are perfect hey buddy lets fight most are not. I think it would be a long fight many would be hurt/killed but in the end neither would win because of all the power houses if were not took out secretly would have to ight each other and lets say we cut it down after years of fighting you may have one or two live on who ever “wins” but with all others gone and i not in pocket universe planets destroyed and homes gone.

  • Marvel will win hands down:
    First of all Hulk can not take on all of DC, HE WILL DIE. Also Hulk is not the answer to the Superman problem. The answer is, Dr. Strange. If you look into DC history or the DC Encyclopedia, magic is one of Superman’s weaknesses. DC does not have the will power or the ruthlessness of Marvel. I’ll point out DC’s most ruthless Joker, Dark Side (Apocalypse could flick him), Bane, and Doomsday. Now Marvel’s (remember the Civil War) Captain America,Iron man, Deadpool, Wolverine, Magneto, etc. Basically Marvel Characters can be heartless when they need to. DC is always about “lets not kill him/her it’s not the heroic way”. Don’t get me wrong Marvel just doesn’t kill everyone who steals a candy bar, but they’ll tear someone up. Any way I really don’t think Hulk and Superman are a fight. Hulk has no control, all he does is what he says “SMASH”, I think even Flash could beat Hulk.

    Maybe some day Marvel and DC will finally lay this to bed. Maybe they’ll take votes and have one of those cartoon DVD movies or just team up on a Show like Batman Brave And The Bold or Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes.

  • all marvel needs is captain america becuz he can beat batman cuz he uses 100% of his brain capacity and he can outsmart supes like batman always does
    and the sentry is like 10 times stronger than superman

  • marvel has the greatest hero captain america who can beat supes and especially batman because he is the PERFECT human and uses 100% of his brain capacity

  • It is my understanding that in the Marvel Multiverse, our own world exists. I am not aware of this in the DC Multiverse. With this being the case, Marvel wins simply by giving us the option to erase the history of DC. And in the case that DC does have a similar universe, then I guess the win goes to the company that has the most fans/money. I have an inkling that it’s Marvel.

  • Arachne,bantam,black panther,blood shed,luke cage,captain rectitude,cloak and dagger,herules,sentry,rogue,and carnage could easily beat the dc universe by them selves

  • DC= stronger heros who know how to fight better, Marvel= Higher population of heros that posses better powers. But the key principle to take into account is that DC heros have a ‘no killing rule’ while most Marvel heros play by no rules. Everyone talks that the outcome would be determined by power of characters such as that of superman or the hulk but it won’t. The fight would really be determined by moral issues. (Personally I’m a DC fan and I believe that people from Marvel can not overcome those descended from the DC universe) However I understand that the odds of winning without eliminating the opposing side are next to nothing. So if the two sides would ever come to battle I know that the winning side would eventually be Marvel. What would happen would be the limited super powerful DC heros would fight off an endless amount of Marvel hordes. At some time all the DC heros would be killed and the Marvel heros would have a really really bad headache.

  • Beyonder solos DC universe. Living Tribunal solos. Molecule Man solos. Thanos Infinity Gauntlet solos. Mad Jim Jaspers (earth 616) solos. Anyone with HOTI or HOTU solos. TOAA solos. What does DC have? Spectre? He got his powers drained before LMFAO. The presence? He’s nigh omnipotent. Marvel has to many higher level cosmic beings, they curbstomp DC. nUfF said, UMAD? Candle Jack(;

  • Obviously Nekron could just raise the dead, create the black lanterns out of dead marvel and DC characters and create a 2nd blackest night and since nekron is the lord of the unliving and he is DC I think DC would win

  • The argument name any Marvel character and I can name a Dc character that can destroy hium can work in reverse also and is a ridiculous argument. Can Batgirl beat the Hulk? No. Can Robin beat the Silver Surfer? No. Superman is the hardest to pick over but again could Superman beat Galactus? I don’t think so. The matches would need to be fair, for example
    Superman vs Hulk
    Green Lantern vs Silver Surfer
    Captain Marvel vs Thor
    Aquaman vs Sub-Mariner
    Flash vs Quicksilver
    Batman vs Captain America
    or
    Batman vs Daredevil, for example.
    the outcomes are dependant on the matchups.
    I tend to favor Superman over Hulk, The Surfer over Green Lantern, I would take Thor and his hammer over Captain Marvel but its not a given, Sub-Mariner over Aquaman (Namor is much stronger), Flash over Quicksilver (Flash is much faster), Batman and Cap A are about even, so thats pick em, however I think Daredevil matches up well with Bats, Batman may be slightly stronger but Daredevil is about equal here and his radar sense would allow him to anticipate Batman’s moves. So you can see, just like in boxing styles make fights. I don’t think one universe is superior to the other, it all depends on the matchups that are made.

  • First of being in a place like india ..its tough knowing and reading abt comics ,let alone knowing abt an unlimited array of characters and their powers
    But I do with whatever I get be it movies ,animated series, Direct to DVD releses.
    From what I see the dc guys are right their heroes are just too powerful ,they could easily outmatch any military of any naton worldwide as evidenced by the movie crisis on two earths.
    But they are being really unfair abt it , the marvel guys were trying to give reality to their characters and hence made them HUMAN,unlike the godlike dc superheroes. Now if the tables turned if the heroes of dc had the same kind of strength and power levels like in the marvel world .Then I wud have to say it wud be marvel, . Just because the marvel ppl have so many more types of powers and skills in their arsenal.ALso ppl failed to mention the eternals , they gave their powers to apocalypse ,so you can imagine what they wud be capable of. I dont see and equivalent race of aliens from the dc world..If they enter the battle then dc is done for

  • DC comic characters can easily beat Marvel comic characters.That’s it.DC comic characters are best.

  • I am sorry but marvel would win. Not because all of the earth hero’s (avengers, x-men, new avengers, fantastic four, fantastic fource, and etc) entirely but do not forget about all the other all powerful races and being skrulls, kris, vampires, captain universe, watchers, the asgardians(could take DOWN the remaining kryptonians), the greek gods (yes the greek gods are in marvel the inhumans, infinity, death(who could just kill anyone he wanted!), Galactus, Thanos, Galctuses Guardians, Tyrant, Pheonix Force, Oblivian, Eternity, White Light, Gamora (Who has the weapon the godslayer that can kill deities with a single blow!) Empathy, Eulogy, Expediency, Entropy, Epiphany, Enmity, Egyptian Gods, Slavic Gods, Apocolypse, and The ALL POWERFUL: ONE ABOVE ALL who created everything in the Marvel universe, who could kill anyone he pleased. It may seem that DC would win but with all of the all powerful beings that Stan Lee added to marvel there is no way DC stand a [email protected]#$&* chance!

    Don’t take it personally but even your invincible Superman With his Green Corps and JUstice league who have his ass handed to him in a second. handed to him in a second

  • Im sorry but Marvel will win. No way that the combined might of these three people will DC destroy marvel. Silver Surfer controls the cosmic powers throught the multiverse. Green lantern can face that power. Superman will be just about overwhelmed with that much power. Second Galactus. As the watcher said “he devours worlds” the only way he was beaten was by pleading with him to leave earth. Im sure DC will have their hands full. Third of course the Hulk. You hit him he gets pissed. the more mad he gets the stronger. Ill tell you what will happen to the flash. All hulk has to do is put his strength in his hands and smash the ground. Flash will go Flying. Superman will have his hands full. Green Lantern will be all but done with. So conclusion the might of the three together would smother DC. THEN you add the rest of marvel to finish the small fries. DC game over.

  • Ok ok to putt this dispute an end in issue 2-3 of marvel comics vs. DC they had heir vs hero with champions that would face each others the champions were to defied witch universe should be destroyed

    Marvel. DC

    Hulk. Super man. winer super man
    Spider-man. Super boy winer spider man
    Wolverine. Lobo winer wolverine
    Captain America. Batman winer batman
    Storm. Wonder woman winer storm
    Jubilee Robin. Winer robin
    Thor. Captain marvel. Winer Thor
    The mariner. Aqua man. Winer aqua man
    Quicksilver. Flash. Winer flash
    Elektra. Cat woman. Winer elektra
    Silver suffer Green lantern. Winer silver surfer

    The grand total was marvel :6. DC:5 marvel won by 1
    but it didn’t last seeing that right after the final batts the gods of the marvel and dc universe merged to combined the Heroes ( such as batman and wolverine to make dark claw ) but they separated and batman and captain America proved to the two gods that neither universe should be destroyed and go back to they’re normal life

  • Look, The Specter alone could kill Silver Surfer and Phoenix, Darkseid, Superman, Phantom Stranger, Alexander Luthor Jr. (earth 3 version of Lex Luthor) and many more that DC Comics has to offer, can easily defeat the marvel universe characters.

  • All I got to say is throw in Gambit with his complete full power and he will take out the entire planet. That way neither DC or Marvel wins 😉

  • WEll it would be hard to say because while someone is fighting someone else someone else can sneak up and kill him. While batman fight wolverine or deadpool punisher will snipe him while deathstroke snipes punisher then nightcrawler gets behind deathstroke snaps his neck the superman pulverizes nightcrawler while hulk grabs superman from behild and squeezes the shit out of him then flash does spped force to kill or hurt hulk then flash does because of sppedforce and superman gets up from being hurt and then professor x freezes superman for enough time so that Kraven can shoot superman with a kryptonite bullet in his skull but then prf x dies from green lattern cause he was concentrating on superman but then silver surfer comes and battles green lattern and probably would kill him and this series of events is going on multiple times with multiple people on both marvel and DC.

  • ignore the first one i was f***en tired when i did it. i revised it

    WEll it would be hard to say because while someone is fighting someone else someone else can sneak up and kill him. While batman fights wolverine or deadpool, punisher will snipe batman while deathstroke snipes punisher then nightcrawler gets behind deathstroke snaps his neck then superman pulverizes nightcrawler while hulk grabs superman from behild and squeezes the shit out of him then flash does speed force to kill or hurt hulk then flash dies because of speedforce and superman gets up from being hurt and then professor x freezes superman for enough time so that Kraven can shoot superman with a kryptonite bullet in his skull but then prof x dies from green lattern cause he was concentrating on superman but then silver surfer comes and battles green lattern and with element of surprise would probably would kill him and this series of events is going on multiple times with multiple people on both marvel and DC. seperate battles are constantly going on and their would be alot of mismatches so he depends which side had the most mis-matches in their favor

  • Ok lets talk non godlike beings because that fight would never end. When the two armies walk towards each other it will start with some huges blasts from the power house. Now Ms Marvel can shoot energy more powerful than multiple nuclear bombs. Sure DC can open up with big hitters like that but both sides will have people left standing. First off batman dies from that so dont mention his name period. Lets not forget marvel has non gods that literally cant die like Deadpool, Wolverine, and even Iron-man has had regeneration in some form. Those are just to start without me even thinking. People who can fly and have projectiles can wipe out people who are landbound with out serious projectiles like lets say the man without powers who can beat “anybody”. Tell me if you can fly and shoot projectiles how can beat you? So the Ironman bat shit can just fall apart.

    Kinda off topic but:The array of suits iron man has make batmans tech look like gen1 ipods.

    Plus here is the trump card: http://marvel.wikia.com/Barack_Obama_(Earth-616)

  • I don’t think people really see how smart Spider man is He as one of the three most intellegent men in the marvel universe. With his powers and smarts hey could best a decent amount of dc ch.

  • If you guys are going to post, post somwthing believable, I don’t care how fast the Flash is he will not come close to beating the Hulk, one hand clap (shockwave) and the Flash is done. Stop with the speed thing already, if Superman has that ace up his sleeve why does he have so many problems with Darkseid and Doomsday, Doomsday is weaker then the Hulk (go to http://www.superherodb.com/) and see what the “so-called experts” have rated our hero’s power levels. Superman is as strong as he is going to get. The Hulk is already at Superman’s power level and he gets stronger. I know this is fiction and fun; do your research and stop just syaing what you think will happen.

  • DC > Marvel each side has there characters that you cannot beat however the Hulk is not one of them neither is professor X who like two of the strongest of marvel. Dc does have the greater force (superman, darkseid, and to sum extent captain marvel). Dc also out classes marvel with skills such as batman wonder woman the flash braniac and green arrow) But the thing is Lobo (a very strong and skilled part of dc) cannot die advantage DC

  • Along with Superman, DC owns the rights to the Watchmen, which includes Dr. Manhattan. Dr. Manhattan is literally unstoppable.

  • You say Doomsday is weak??? Doomsday is the most powerful creature. He is literally UNDEFEATABLE. He will adapt to anything you throw at him. Any attacks, any special wep, any special anything, he will always live. You may even blast him so bad that he will turn into atoms, but he will grow back and fight again (as it has happened before). With that said, DC WINS.

  • Let’s begin with the most obvious argument, the hulk has literally no limit to his strength and endurance as long as superman keeps throwin him around, where as superman (However ridiculously high it is) does have a limit to his strength and endurance. Superman would literally have to kill Hulk in one punch or Hulk would continue to grow stronger and tougher until he was able to beat superman to death, just as doomsday has done in the DC universe. The “Power Cosmic” villains of the Marvel universe, such as Galactus, Silver Surfer, Thanos etc have the ability to manipulate matter AND energy. The Silver Surfer simply has to absorb the solar energy stored within superman’s body and he is powerless, or suck the oxygen out of any “air breathing” character’s lungs. Apocalypse has the ability to manipulate matter and energy as well, so imagine the possibilities. Not to mention there are millions of mutants, sure some are “weak” in comparison to many heroes on both sides, but there are plenty mutants with powers ranging from ripping apart atoms to cause powerful explosions to manipulating time and reality itself. Throw in the fantastic four, sure the human torch is the only real threat, but being able to ignite the atmosphere of a planet killing anything that needs to breath air to live is a pretty useful addition. Honestly the Green Lantern is the biggest threat coming from DC’s side, unless apocalypse or any of the power cosmic characters can manipulate the green energy he produces. All the while Professor Xavier is seeking out and killing every single DC character that isn’t immune to a psionic assault. I love both comics, but my choice is Marvel, most people look straight to superman and assume no one in the Marvel universe can handle him. Unfortunately for DC, Marvel has just as many, if not more heavy hitters who can take on the characters of DC. As a final reminder, remember that the Marvel Universe means including all mutants, not just the members of the X-men.

  • Victor, do your research first, Doomsday is not unbeatable and he is much weaker than the Hulk, look at the sites with is “ficticious,” having said that find out the “ficticious” facts first thencome with some acceptable knowledge. Also, how can you actually beatt the Hulk when he heals so fast, you could rip him in half and he will heal himself. Bring it!

  • I totally agree with everything Luke says. Plus even if Marvel had hulk (which wouldn’t really make a difference since DC would hands down dominate,) DC has smarter heroes (like Batman)and also way more heroes.

  • Batman vs Iron Man Batman would win,(hands down.) Super Man vs Hulk Superman would win and I’m not just saying that because I’m a DC man.

  • All of these arguments amuse me, however you people are not seeing the obvious X factor here. Yes, Marvel is more down to earth/human than DC. This is most likely why Marvel would not take place in a fight such as this one. The only way Marvel would take place in this fight(excluding: Punisher, and most of the villians) is if DC actually did something that threatened them. Sure the Justice League and The Lantern Corp are great adversaries towards Marvel, but they would not fight unless threatened also. Face it, all of the ‘heroes’ powerful or not would probably never face off. Even if they do meet they would realize that together both the DC and Marvel universe would no longer see any potential threats. Lastly, when it comes to the basic core of this argument, the writers would not allow a simple company to overthrow the other. Even with the voting of fans or more so the popularity of some characters, no definite winner would be hailed. Therefore, this thread is based on pure biasing or the possibility that this will ever happen(I have read the Marvel vs. DC comics and have a significant background with both DC and Marvel).

  • andre look you need to do the research. Hulk may get stronger the madder he gets but guess what, captain america nearly matches his strength especially when the hulk’s strenght does eventually level out, and doomsday was created to never die thats why he was cast into conditions no one could survive in either universe, when he fought superman guess what supes died doomsday only went unconcious for a day or so and just woke up ready for another brawl. doomsday is much stronger than hulk idc what your website says look at the comics and the storylines thats where the facts are

  • optimus prime guess what wolverine just needs his head cut off and deadpool just needs to be cut up into small pieces and spread out and he’s done plus batman wouldnt die he is also a master of stealth who is a genius and smart enough that he always knows exactly when to strike iron man relies only on his armor, batman could easily invent a device to disable the armor, oh wait its already been done, its called an EMP!

  • You guys are forgetting one big superhero to defeat, GALACTICUS! all you have to do is get nightcrawler to transport marvel to a space ship or just put em in space suits and transport them to space then just let galacticus destroy earth. there problem sovled all of DC is defeated and hey if one or two lives just get galacticus to crush them.

  • I have heard golden boys thrown around a lot but what about the real golden boy Kal-El DC One Million. Fifteen thousand years of absorbing solar energy and brining planets back from the dead.

  • k im gonna kill this debate with i solid point the main thing, that seems to be debated, is superman vs the hulk, if you guys wanna break it down, lets put in this senerio, the strongest superman there is, (not quite sure who that would be) and the best hulk, which would be hulk with banners intelect, not to mention at one point the venmom symboitle, took over him, throw the venom symbolyte on hulk, and superman is in big trouble,
    and if the venom symboylite can take over the hulk, what to stop him from takeing over the likes of glactis, or Apocolypse, it is very possiable, at one point, the carnage symbolite, took over the silver surfers body, and had control of him, the silver surfer is a very powerful being to begin with, after that happened, carnage (as the silver surfer) destroyed the advengers, and spider-man, with out having to catch his breath effort, that being said, there are more powerfull symbolites, then carnage, even if it came down to the most powerfull charcter form each universe, (not gonna try and say who is from each side cause i cant call that shit) throw the carnage symbolite on marvels side, and it would be over,

  • that means that even if dc beat all the charcters, they would have to beat them again, but this time there zombies, and a few of them also have cosmic powers from eating the silver surfer and Glactis (ie the HUlk, Spider-man, Captain america, Wolvriene, and a few others, these cosmic zombies alone destroyed there entire, universe, then ran out of food, so the went at another, throw in all the other zombies, and the normal charcters, dc is gonna get f***ed up

  • I think everybody vouching for DC is overlooking one very, very big gun the Marvel Universe has. Jean Grey. Since she ascended to the Phoenix of the White Crown, she transcended the common comic book character, becoming multiversal. This means that throughout all the alternate universes that exist, there is only on White Phoenix. But that doesn’t really tell you why she’s so powerful does it?

    The reason she can single handedly grant Marvel this victory is simple. Here is a list of just SOME, note that they are not all, of her powers:
    1) Reality Warping (Let’s see anyone from DC survive that)
    2) Time Manipulation (Don’t know what this would do in a battle when she could warp reality, but hey)
    3) Power Suppression (She can place psychic inhibitors in the minds of enemies, preventing use of powers))
    4) Immortality
    5) Indestructible
    6) Resurrection of the deceased
    7) Strength to lift over 100 tons

    and If that isn’t enough, White Phoenix is the essence of life and death itself. I’d think even Superman Prime 1 Mil is in trouble here.

  • Firstly you leave out all of marvels true heavy hitters ;black bolt doctor strange silver surfer scarlet witch the lady who took away 90% of the mutants powers, silver surfer who can warp reality, and black bolt splits planets and half by WHISPERING, get at me

  • Oops, it seems like I angered SmuhzzyDC by telling the truth. It really is surprising that there are still people commenting this when the debate was settled a good number of months ago.
    Look, people, there is NO POINT is bringing up Superman, the Hulk, the X-men, the Avengers, Justice League etc. Those may be heavy hitters when compared to “regular” superheroes, but they are NOT heavy hitters when it comes to their respective universes. In the DC universe, for example, the Over-Monitor/ Over-Mind/ Overvoid would WIPE THE FLOOR with all of Earth’s superheroes combined. There is simply no contest here. The Over-Monitor is a Tier 1 (1st class beyond) entity, while Superman, Doomsday, Green Lantern Corps members etc. are only Tier 14 (Top Tier Hero/Villain).
    The same thing applies to Marvel characters. The One-Above-All and the Living Tribunal could wipe out Black Bolt, Thor, the Hulk etc. in an instant.

    This means that to decide which universe would win, one would have to look at the highest-level characters of each universe. Since they’re omnipotent, the universe who has the most wins.

    The highest beings in the DC universe are:

    – Tier 1 – [ 1st Class Beyond ]:
    The Over-Monitor/ Over-Mind/ Overvoid
    The Presence ( Yahweh / Elaine Belloc)

    – Tier 2 – [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:
    Meshta
    The Great Evil Beast
    Rama Kushna
    The Source
    Synnar
    Ultimate Darkness
    Ultimate Light

    In comparison, Marvel has:

    – Tier 1 – [ 1st Class Beyond ]:
    The One-Above-All
    Pre-Retcon Beyonder
    Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
    Protege
    Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
    Living Tribunal

    – Tier 2 – [ 2nd Class Beyond ]:

    Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
    Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
    Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet

    – Tier 3 – [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale ]
    Eternity
    Infinity
    Death
    Oblivion
    The Phoenix Force
    The Alien Entity
    Infiniti IG Nemesis
    Genesis ( Sise-Neg)

    The Infinites should also be 1st class beyond (btw Marvel’s Tier 3 = DC’s Tier 2 because DC doesn’t have any “2nd class beyond” characters).

    Clearly Marvel has the edge, like I already said previously. Marvel would therefore undoubtedly win in a fight against DC. This is a fact based on the power levels of the characters in the two universe. Please stop bringing up lower-level characters, THEY WOULD NOT MATTER. Marvel wins this, end of story.

  • I may be biased because I like Marvel better, but I think DC has an unfair advantage being, that they are more “multi-universe” so there are many more different beings and species and such. Marvel on the other hand is leaned more toward the type of superheroes that were humans with ordinary lives that were changed by a single or chain of events. Marvel is more down to earth than DC is. And Luke when you said that Spiderman decided to use webs instead of some other flying or quickly moving apparatus, it was because he was bitten by a spider and that changed his genes. I did not read all the answers but the portions I did read, no one mentioned Krakoa the living island from Marvel!! Batman is just a guy that happens to have a lot of money, therefore he can get his hands on a lot of technology.

  • Look, DC WINS!
    DC HAS

    Darkseid
    The Anti-Monitor
    Imperiex
    The Spectre
    Alexander Luthor Jr.
    Amazo
    Parasite
    Krona
    Parallax
    Shazam
    Presence
    Chronos
    Mr. Mxyzpltk
    Monarch
    Radiant
    Doomsday
    Eclipso
    And the thousands or millions of other beings in the DC Universe, would absolutely wipe out marvel.

    End of story, marvel loses, DC Wins.

  • DC would win.
    Superman vs Hulk really? Superman! First things first DC don’t kill they don’t use all there powers. You don’t see what they can really do. Okay superman vs hulk. Easy Superman can throw him to the sun or burn a hole throw his head.
    Now I like professor X but he is no match to Dr. Fate or Martian manhunter. I see how people is saying Marvel is more down to earth yes that’s another thing. DC more fantasy. Batman vs Ironman? Batman everybody so that coming. Captain Marvel or Shazam or Hawkgirl vs Thor? That hammer isn’t invisible against magic. Captain America great movie just saw it. Green Lantern vs Captain America? GL all day. The Flash you can’t see him he just cut your throat. Wonder Women vs the girl off Iron man 2 the ninja girl. I’ll let you finish it Marvel fans. Anyways I enjoy watching all hero movies but DC will win

  • uhh.did you guys forget wolverine?he has three weeknesses.magnetism(and magneto is on marvels side),the muramasa blade(that can cause him actual damge its a sword and is entrusted to cyclops also on marvel)and a certain type of metal.rarest subsance and has to be made .it was made once then the”recipe”was destroyed.other than that he’s f***ing invincible.literily imortal,so dc can go f*** off

  • i went on an extremely long debate at work today about who would win. n many people choice the side of marvel. this is an endless debate. because both have their dominate people. i was on the side of dc only because of superman batman green lantern and captain marvel. im sorry just those 4 people alone i do not see them losing. not to say there are about 200 green lanterns. now who would be able to defeat all of them? this debate is pointless because hands down i believe dc would win.

  • and even i would be wrong because in 1996 they came out with a comic saying marvel would win if the two universes collided. but they only did their research off of about 11 battles:
    Aquaman vs. Namor-winner Aquaman
    Elektra vs. Catwoman-winner Elektra
    Flash vs. Quicksilver -winner Flash
    Robin vs. Jubilee-winner Robin
    Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern-winner Silver Surfer
    Thor vs. Captain Marvel-winner Thor
    Superman vs. Hulk- winner Superman
    Batman vs. Captain America- winner tied
    Spider-Man vs. Superboy- winner Spider-Man
    Storm vs. Wonder Woman- winner Storm
    Wolverine vs. Lobo- winner Wolverine

    not sure how they got that result but thats what they came up with. i still believe that batman would defeat captain marvel and dc would win but hey facts done lie

  • Dc has natural powers, marvel gets it from gamma rays, spiders, exc. Without iron Man’s armor anyone can beat him.

  • DC would win. Marvel has some pretty good characters, but only a few could stand up to these two: Doomsday and Superman. Hulk and Thor are tough, but Hulk’s just muscle. He can be wounded. Thor’s a god, but Superman is pretty much a god, too. Doomsday may be only muscle like The Hulk, but unlike The Hulk, practically nothing can wound him OR Superman. Plus, Thor and Hulk can’t take on everyone in DC, but just (and I MEAN just) only Superman can take on everyone in Marvel. He’s that awesome and powerful. He’s not just strength, he’s speed, strength, and he has other powers: heat vision, freezing breath, flight, the ability to see through anything but lead, telescopic vision, incredible hearing. He is unstoppable. He alone could slaughter Marvel. It’d be a $&@%ing massacre!

  • to all the flash fans out there, all I have to say is one word and that is “Graviton”

  • Paul, just wondering what are these tiers you’re talking about? Where does that information and classification come from? Sounds like you have some great info that I could use when having similair arguements with other people.

  • “As the supreme being of the Omniverse[3], the One-Above-All is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omniversal, above all cosmic entities, even the Living Tribunal.”

  • i do have to add one more.

    Abilities
    Beyond any known system of abilities.
    Strength level
    Beyond any known system of strength.
    Weaknesses

    Not applicable

  • oh and victor ^ if one-above-all wanted to, it could wink and every single hero in DC would die. no matter what.

  • Dc wins no matter what marvel character comes. Silver Surfer is what marvel is depending on amazo can copy the powers of silver surfers plus more.Marvel hasent a ghost of a chance against dc

  • Kent batman is in perfect human condition is a Genius no wait scratch that he is above a genius he is a master at hand to hand combat has alot of weaponery,machinery, and other gadgets and yes he is a billionare he can supply every dc character with what they need. also since its safe to say this is a war do there would definately be preperation before the war actullay started so batman can get a bio on all marvel characters and be ready for the war. DC WINS

  • I’m totally stumped here. My all time favorite superhero is definitely Batman. But then again I also adore Iron Man, The X-Men and the Hulk!

  • Also paul all the lower class do matter you cant just count out superman, batman, the flash ,wonder woman ,amazo ,mr .manhattan,green lantern and all others. if all high class marvel and dc characters ended up killing each other and the lower tier people were left then they would matter.

  • Also Victor fails. GJ looking up names and just posting them, claiming they can just beat marvel in general

  • DC would pwn Marvel with.

    Mr. Mxyzptlk
    Bat-Mite
    Amazo
    Dr Manhattan
    The Spectre
    The Presence
    Blue Devil
    Imperiex
    Darkseid
    Shazam
    The Anti Monitor
    Brainiac
    Superman

    Equals win
    Superman

  • if don’t include the most powerforests of the : Sentry, Dr Manhetten , One above all, Antimonitor, Galaktus and his men, Living Tribunal.
    DC wins because Marvel hass only about 400 mutants and DC thousands green black blue red lanterns SUPERMANS(supergils superboy –
    Prime(he is stronger than original Superman) ), Marvel’s Family Sinestro FLASH obsidian. BUT marvel too has powerful heroes BLACK BOLT HULK DR STRANGE RID RICHARDS Mongul 2 and others but DC WINS

  • Cameron, The results from those battles are skewed. Batman and Captain America are equals, with Cap having the edge because of the super soldier serum. Cap and Batman had the same martial arts masters so they are virtually even. The fight that was really messed up was the Hulk Versus Superman; since DC had control, they didn’t adhere to their own rules. The first one to get hit and stay down, the one who hits him wins, didn’t happen that way.

  • I think Superman can resist punches from the Hulk if he angry i think he would win every battle if he wasn’t such a pussy he not aloud to kill people but if he was aloud Superman would never have a villain again Lex Luthor would be dead by now Darkseid.Hulk vs Superman Hulk abilities regeneration, super speed, infinite strenght every times he get angrier and no mercy whent he angry but Hulk can die Superman abilities Cold Breath,Super streght can pick up 1million tons and the same as the Hulk make him angry his make him stroger, laser beam and invurreable to almost everything and cant die unless kryptonyte its there to kill kim.You know something i think Batman can be him with his gadgets and combat skills why Superman couldnt win For me Batman or Superman can beat Hulk

  • Hulk, Aboniation, Venom Thor, colossus, doc doom juggernaught ect, even if one of them alone couldnt beat superman together they would rip him apart.

  • punisher vs. batman

    punisher wins. batman would just throw baterangs and the punisher would blow his head off with a shot gun. the punisher isnt afrid to kill some one, batman is.

  • ur all forgetin tht professor x can kill anyone or every one with a thought. if tht dousnt work jean grey can just disintigrate them. boom marvel wins

  • the reason people choose marvel is because it has had more activity in movies and games so they choose marvel over how many movies and games when they dont no anything about marvel but when you read even one dc comic you learn so much about the dc universe and this is coming from a 11 year old kid

  • well, if it is just last man standing then marvel, silver surfer would just make a black whole then take a nap.

  • I have one man that no one in the DC or Marvel universe could take out. The Beyonder. ‘Nough said.

  • Awesome Man, Captain America and Batman have the same fighting skills and Cap is stronger because of the Super Soldier serum. In the crossover mag Batman even said, “Captain America it is conceivable you will beat me but it would take a while.” Make sure you understand the history of both Marvel and DC. Cap and Batman are master tacticians and as leaders almost unbeatable. In Ultimate Avengers, Cap was the last one standing after the Hulk attacked, Thor Iron Man, Giant Man, Wasp and the other hero’s were toast, Cap is the man!

  • Luke, nice argument! Funny, no one has mentioned that Superman would not beat the Silver Surfer, remember supes flies near the speed of light and SS flies lightyears in seconds. Many people use the speed thing in supes fight with the Hulk, so it should be evident in this fight also. And the SS literally controls all matter.

  • I want to see Marvel’s four strongest against DC’s: Hulk, THor, SIlver Surfer & Hercules. DC Superman, Shazam, Martian MAnhunter & Wonder Woman!

  • andre captain america is strong but your underestimating batman. he is a master tactician he will find a way to kill a dude on steroids . batman beat superman with his tactics not strength, and we all know captain america could not beat superman.

  • Semsos, Batman would not have beaten Superman without the Kryptonite; so what makes you think he would not figure that out? Superman would not be able to get through Cap’s shield, not saying the shield would hurt Supes, it would momentarily. I think you forgot about Cap and Bats learning the same martial arts from the “same” masters, so they are virtually equal. Bats has his gadgets and Cap has his shield and strength; advantage Captain America.

  • Paul
    even though there are more omnipotent entities in marvel, its omnipotent vs. omnipotent. not a clear winner. no matter how many omnipotents versus omnipotents there are, its all equal. besides we should get over talking about the boring, all powerful people and talk about JLA,avengers,etc. btw how did u come up with the logic for the tiers?

  • Ok marvel fans who keep bringing in silver surfer, stop, just stop. Silver surfer is nothing without his board. Once that’s gone, Superman kills him in a sec.

  • Lex Luthor is a ruthless supervillian who owns at least half of DC. Powerful villians take influence from him. lets see Kingpin stand up to him, Black Cat killed him!

  • LOL, just stumbled on this page, but anyways, not sure if anyone has brought this up; THANOS w/infinity gauntlet >>>>ALL DC Universe, enough said, GG.

  • Marvel would win, hands down. All we need to do is get Tony Stark t create Kryptonite, (cause he can) and make everyone on the Avengers Armor made of Kryptonite. That takes care superman. Plus the angrier you make the Hulk, the more invincible he becomes. So, everyone on dc would be trying to kill the Hulk, but in reality you’re just making him more invincible. Then there’s Thor, who is the God of the Thunder by the way. So he could just about destroy anyone in the dc universe. Those three are all that are needed to take out the entire dc universe.

  • what if marvel and dc would just team up instead the would have a war that’s why they are called superhero beacause to save the world not to destroy it

  • Victor, Who said Silver Surfer needs his board for his power? He needs it to fly, his power cosmic is within him. I hope you are not using the information you got from that weak movie FF Rise of the Silver Surfer, if so they were wrong.

  • You guys are forgetting about DR MANHATTAN. DC would obviously win. Dr manhattan could defeat all of them at the same time. He controls matter which all the Marvel Characters are made of. At the snap of his fingers, he can blow them all up.

  • I keep Hearing Dc fans metioning Amazo that he can absorb powers, but the forget about Rouge She Can Absorb powers too

  • Andre it isnt hard to get behind someone with a shield especially someone who can easily hide get behind caps and blow him to bits with explosive gel although getting behind caps might take a while these fights have all the time they need.

  • Aris one word for you AMAZO he can copy all marvels powers and dc by just looking at them. He can copy galactus silver surfer anybody. Also have you heard of Mr.Mxyzptlk he can litterally use his will power and if he wanted to he could snap his fingers and all of marvel loses there powers. LITERALLY.

  • Also how can marvel win against an intangible person. Phantom girl can make herself intangible. Even if marvel wipes out dc which is highly unlikely phantom girl turns intangible and waits out marvel.

  • The-One-Above-All, if he died, everything would cease to exist. He controls everything. He could take away every single power of any hero from any universe. He could blink, and every single character from DC would cease to exist.

  • Paul u r an ass. I am not a comic book reader so I can’t pick a side but I’m reading these and ur a d bag.

  • YO LUKE THERE IS ONE CONCERN WITH YOUR ARGUEMENT LAINIAC, YEAH SURE LEX BY HIMSELF WOULD HELP THE HEROES, BUT WHEN FUSED WITH BRAINIAC HE WOULDN’T SIMPLY BECAUSE HE’S TO SMART FOR HIS OWN GOOD. THINK ABOUT IT MARVEL HAS DC BEAT ANDROIDS MAY NOT BE AFFECTED BY TELEPATHY BUT THEY ARE AFFECTED BY TELEKINESIS WHICH WOULD TURN THEM INSIDE OUT AND THERE ARE TWO GIANT MARVEL HEAVY HITTERS BESIDES PUNISHER AND PROF. X DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE ARE BOTH IMMORTAL THEY CAN HEAL WHILE BEING PULLED APART EXAMPLE. X-MAN 3. AND YOU CAN’T COUNT THE OLYMPIAN GODS FOR DC BECAUSE THEY NEVER FIGHT FOR THE HUMANS ALL THEY DO IS PROTECT THE FEMALE WARRIORS. ALSO THERE ARE 2 MORE HEAVY HITTERS GALACTUS AND MEPHISTO THEY EACH ONLY HAVE 1 WEAKNESS GALACTUS NEEDS TO FEED BUT NO ONE KNOWS HOW LONG HE CAN GO. ALSO MEPHISTO IS ONLY A LIL WEAKER WHEN HE IS NOT IN HIS OWN REALM. EVEN IF X IS KILLED CYCLOPS OR WOLVERINE WOULD TAKE OVER AND YOU ALSO FORGET THE FANTASTIC 4 THEY WOULD DOMINATE SUPERMAN AND BATMAN BECUASE REED RICHARDS IS JUST AS SMART AND DON’T SAY ”IF HE’S SO SMART HOW COME HE CAN’T REVERSE THING’S FORM” BATMAN WOULDN’T DO ANY BETTER. SO THAT IS WHY MARVEL WOULD WIN, NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD THERE WOULD STILL BE CASUALTIES BUT ONE MORE THING IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE, UNLIKE THE DC UNIVERSE, THE HEROES CAN BE BROUGHT BACK MEPHISTO LIKE DOOM’S MOTHER OR GHOST RIDER’S DAD AND BY STONE LIKE ELECTRA SO THERE THE DC UNIVERSE HAS BEEN PWNED!!!

  • also luke docter strange is magic he can also make more of any marvel hero or villain and also there wouldn’t be any side effects from different universes one hero might be a adult but the other might be a baby in dc universe also if you recall from spiderman 2 his webs, if thick enough, can’t be broken example. stops an entire train, also he is able to escape death itself example. sandman and venom combo couldn’t kill him train almost killed him but didn’t green goblin couldn’t kill him he can use webs any way he wants within reason slingshots, scale buildings, create whole webs like a real spider and trap his enemies, and use it to swing from building to building

  • if you are going to ask me i go with marvel beacause they are more famous and more powerful than dc beacause everytime i watch dc movies i get bored but when i watch marvel i would even call my friends to watch

  • i agree and let’s add something to david’s comment ultron,silver surfer,the incredible hulk,super skrull,mandarin,ghost rider,gladiator,thor,magneto,abomination,m.o.d.o.k and dr.doom

  • world war hulk,x-men,fantastic 4,silver surfer,ultron,gladiator,ghost rider,super skrull,mandarin,magneto,thor,odin,mephisto,thanos,
    galactus and apocalypse will surely destroy the entrire dc
    universe

  • everybody says that dc has overpowered characters and it wouldnt be fair while marvel keeps beefin up all the celestial beings and other characters so they become broken. people just dont make sense sometimes. im not swayed to either side but its just my opinion. besides, that listverse link isnt accurate. presence is tied with one above all. spectre, beyonder,parallax and others arent on the list. not very accurate.

  • 1.the incredible hulk vs superman= hulk
    2.rhino vs bane = rhino
    3.she-hulk vs wonder woman=she-hulk
    4.iron man vs steel =iron man
    5.captain america vs batman = captain america
    6.wolvorine vs lobo = wolvorine
    7.ghost rider vs blue devil = ghost rider
    8.silver surfer vs the flash = silver surfer
    9.apocalypse and galactus vs parallax and doomsday=apocalypse and galactus
    10.odin vs dc universe = odin
    MARVEL WINS!!!

  • marvel’s solution to the superman problem, have rogue or mimic or someone who can steal others powers absorb kriptonite man’s powers and pump superman with so much kriptonite tht he could be easily killed

  • solution #2 have silver surfer throw superman into a black hole where there is no yellow light and he would be obliterated

  • spectre is NOT tied because he admitted to being born sometime after the universe began, which means that he does not have the same status as the one above all.

  • not much how about spiderman vs batman=batman
    flash vs dr doom=flash
    some dc characters can also win you know but i really like the marvels more than dc because of iron patriot whoooooooo!!!!!!!! and war machine,giant man,hulkbuster iron man,black suit spiderman ,iron man,iron monger and crimson dynamo and also m.o.d.o.k with galactus

  • edge you have got to be kidding me spiderman vs batman=batman have you seen the two batman movies and spiderman it is easy spiderman wins you know why beacause he has super strength and spidy sense and could kill batman out of nowhere and the flash can’t kill dr.doom he has the power of lightning and nothing is faster than that and iron patriot you crazy ghost rider could just kill him easily

  • STFU IDIOTS!!

    Stop talking about mortals, superman, the silver surfer, the hulk, the batman; jesus!

    The one above all is the most powerful being in all comic books, and without it, nothing else can exist. It is part of marvel, so marvel would win. It is ranked higher than the presence because the presence has been noted as having appeared AFTER reality was created. Not only that, but DCs most powerful being, the presence, is beaten by not only the one above all, but also the living tribunal and the abstract entities. Please, both sides arguing their points, stop bringing up people that can be killed. Stop bringing up iron man, stop bringing up batman. Especially batman. You say he’s a master of martial arts, a genius, etc. Too bad he’s mortal, and most other comic characters would be able to kick his ass. Marvel wins. Look at the link. The top ten most powerful on a site that lists top 10s for EVERYTHING. Reliable? I think so.

    http://listverse.com/2009/10/13/top-10-most-powerful-comic-book-characters/

  • what! aris stop messing around it,s iron patriot you know can,t you read my comment it says there iron patriot and batman really! oh please don,t get use to it iron patriot would be defeated by batman wrong!!!!!! billions would know that for now and iron patriot is iron and batman what?! a bat and one more thing dc is not the powerful being ok! galactus,silver surfer,thanos,vengeance,hulk,abominationand iron patriot would kick dc out hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

  • oh yeah to all dc fans if you think that dc is more powerful think again if thanos is in dc universe he will use the infinity gauntlet and when he snap his fingers it will be the end of dc who ever made this i’ll let you know that marvel wins period.

  • yeah and superman tadadada!! hahahaha do you think superman will beat marvel oh no no no no dc lose again for dc likes only

  • and dr doom is the leader you know not thanos of the masters of evil with his infinity sword he will rule the world!!!!!! hahahahahahaha and combine with twilight sword

  • you have got to be kiddin me do you even watch or read marvel movies or comics if thanos has the infinity gauntlet dr.doom is roasted even infinity sword and twilight sword combined thanos could destroy half of the universe in the infinity gauntlet

  • edge.. I don’t know if you have some sort of speech impediment or just suck at grammar, and for that matter reading in general, but I hope you noticed that I said MARVEL WOULD WIN! I really think you should leave because nobody can actually understand what your saying.

  • Make mines marvel I will give u that dc is more powerful then marvel. but that dose not mean they would win in a fight. just ask superman & batman I will put money down that marvel can seen 50 of There Heavy Hitter’s 2 go & take dc universe over.

    1. One-Above-All
    2. Living Tribunal
    3. Eternity
    4. Celestials
    5. Death
    6. Watcher
    7. Galactus
    8. Ego the living planet
    9. Stranger
    10. Odin
    11. Phoenix Force
    12. Kronos
    13. Infinity
    14. In-Betweener
    15. Mephisto
    16. Abraxas
    17. Akhenaten
    18. Magus
    19. Beyonder
    20. Molecule Man
    21. Tyrant
    22. Annihilus
    23. Franklin Richards
    24. Hyperstorm
    25. Thanos
    26. Onslaught
    27. Silver Surfer
    28. Thor
    29. Apocalypse
    30. Dormammu
    31. Vulcan
    32. Destroyer
    33. Morg
    34. Quasar
    35. Sentry & the Void
    36. King Hyperion
    37. High Evolutionary
    38. Doctor Doom
    39. Juggernaut
    40. Hulk
    41. Gladiator
    42. Doctor Strange
    43. Loki
    44. Adam Warlock
    45. Starhawk
    46. Ghost Rider
    47. Blue Marvel
    48. Captain Marvel
    49. Absorbing Man
    50. Kurse do i have any takers?

  • david its crazy how biased you are. superman vs hulk obvious answer superman. THINK superman can just fly 100 ft in the air and fire ice beams fire beams at hulk till he dies what will hulk do? jump? haha dont make me laugh. also supes can punch the ground make a huge crater to the earths core freeze hulk through him in and its over. hulk cant jump 10,000,000,000 miles.

  • oh he can make a huge crater,fire ice beams,lazer beams and can fly 100 feet but that dosen’t mean he’s stronger hulk can even go to other planets just by jumping and the limit in stength hulk would win know y? beacause he’s strength is limitless hulk has no weaknesses exept if superman kidnaps betty and it’s like superman can do that and by the way supeman’s weakness is kryptonite hulk can carry the biggest kryptonite he could ever find and use it to kill superman no problem

  • David superman is as fast as a bullet even if hulk can jump that high he would be at Korea before hulk could even jump. Also you said hulks only weakness was Betty . For a hulk fan you don’t know much about him. Hulk is as dumb as a box of rocks. where would he think to get kryptonite. Superman isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed either but, still smarter than hulk. Even the flash could beat him. he could just vibrate through the hulk and since hulk is a big green target, his mind is equivalent to a 2 year old, and is NOT immortal the flash could just leave a hulk a big red and green stain on the road

  • Superman can beat the Hulk easily because of his speed. He’s been able to run at near the speed of light, and that’s hundreds of times faster than the Hulk. That means Superman can punch the Hulk hundreds of times before the Hulk can even throw a punch, and by then it’ll be no problem for Supes to dodge it and throw several hundred more. And don’t give me any of that “the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets” argument. Look at this: http://i26.tinypic.com/vep5wg.jpg. Superman can lift 200 quintillion tons and that’s not even his max. When calm, the Hulk can only lift 70 tons. Do the math Hulk fans, that means Superman starts off being more than 2 quadrillion times stronger than the Hulk. Several hundred punches and a few seconds is all it takes for Superman to reduce the Hulk to a bloody pulp. And just because Doomsday killed Superman does not mean the Hulk would beat Superman. Doomsday would own the Hulk too because he also had super-speed. Superman wouldn’t even have to face off with the Hulk. The Flash can just vibrate his fist through his brain lawl.

  • oh yeah silver surfer could kill superman easily he will absorb his solar energy and superman’s over and silver surfer is faster than the flash know y? silver surfer has already gone out to every planet in the universe and about the hulk he dosen’t need kryptonite anyway he just need his own hands to kill him and when superman fights hulk he will have a hard time beacause hulk has an infinite strength and hulk has gone to the sun and come back without a scratch he can survive in the coldest planet with the tempreture of 0 and can survive at nuclear bombs and he’s not as dumb as a 2 year old he’s a scientist

  • 1.ww hulk,rhino,juggernaut vs superman,bane and killer croc = ww hulk,rhino,juggernaut
    2.iron man,war machine vs steel = iron man and war machine
    3.wolvorine vs lobo = wolvorine
    4.captain america vs batman =captain america
    5.ghost rider,mephisto,black heart vs blue devil and demon =ghost rider,mephisto and blackheart
    6.silver surfer vs flash at the power of speed = silver surfer
    7.odin,mephisto,thanos,galactus,apocalypse,the living tribunal and the one above all vs dc universe = marvel

  • This argument is a great one but each fanboy will stick to their guns. one crucial factor would be what role the villains would play. Also if the duel is planned or not. DC has much better villains and marvel has much better heroes thats why both have been so successful for example sinestro makes a much larger threat than magneto or doctor octopus. Another factor would be weather marvels ultimate universe plays a factor into this or not. But where i stand i think DC has too many geniuses i.e. lex luthor, bruce wayne, and the riddler to lose to the simple minds of hank pym tony stark and reed richards. The world of green lanterns alone could destroy the marvel universe especially if scarecrow and lex luthor were added to the group as what happened in Blackest Night. The arguement that the hulk cant be stopped is a stupid one because sinestro would just present him his greatest fear (that he can control himself and kills the people he loves) and he would be helpless. Also scarecrow could easily inject him with one of his hallucinogens and end of hulk. As for Thor thats a different story. Thor is excellent and would prove to be a challenge but again fear has proven to be a great weapon against the marvel universe (as shown in fear itself) so scarecrow and the sinestro corps would just rape them with freight while green arrow , death stroke superman and the flash just picked off the marvel heroes and villians like sitting ducks. I have still not mentioned the joker

  • in this one i will go with marvel beacause dc is more on supers not like marvel example captain america they only made him super soldier,iron man made his suit to become a super hero and marvel has more powerful characters than dc

  • Sesmos, who says the dumb Hulk would be fighting Superman? If it is Professor or WW Hulk, Supes is toast, nuff said, excelsior!

  • to all dc fans if you wanna prove that dc is better you gotta have a hard evidence to the marvel fans we have a hard evidence to prove that marvel is better
    1.odin=king of asgard and the one who can wipe out every dc super heroes and villans.
    2.thanos=posses the infinity gauntlet that would destroy the universe of dc
    3.galactus and silver surfer=destroyer and eater of planets galactus and silver surfer can kill all justice league
    4.mephisto=can take away the souls of every dc heroes and villans.
    5.the living tribunal=The Living Tribunal is a virtually omnipotent and omniscient entity whose purpose is to safeguard the omniverse from imbalance. Tribunal is perfectly impartial and has shown the ability to accomplish anything it sets its will to; including the willingness to sacrifice millions to save billions and sacrifice billions to save trillions. There is absolutely no limit to what The Living Tribunal can accomplish in order to maintain balance or eliminate threats. Nevertheless; Tribunal is second to one.
    6.apocalypse=En Sabah Nur is reputed to be the first mutant on earth and also the most powerful. He scores an impressive 39 out of 42 on Marvel’s official powergrid. Apocalypse has control of his body on the atomic level to go along with tremendous energy absorption and energy projecting abilities. His powers are greatly enhanced due to his mastery of alien technology specifically genetics and biochemistry.
    7.the one above all=Creator of all realities in all timelines in every single part of the omniverse. TOAA is essentially “God” and therefore nothing can possibly exist without him. This makes TOAA more powerful than all beings or entities combined

  • another information of thanos =many a villain threatens to destroy the universe but Thanos is the only one who can actually do it. He possesses immeasurable levels of intelligence, strength, endurance, stamina, and durability. Thanos also has exhibited the ability to manipulate enormous amounts of cosmic energy. An obsession with the female embodiment of death, led him to gain control of the infinity gauntlet, ascending him to godhood. Thanos used his power to destroy half the life in our universe by simply snapping his fingers.

  • mephisto=Mephisto is an extremely powerful immortal demonic entity possessing magical powers and abilities gained by manipulation of the forces of magic. Mephisto is capable of using his power for a variety of uses, including superhuman strength, shape and size shifting, projecting illusions, manipulating memories,[altering time, and is highly resistant to injury
    The character has been shown to be energized by sources of evil in the human realm, such as the alien Dire Wraiths Like other demons, Mephisto is symbiotically linked to, and considerably more powerful within, his own realm, and the character is able to transform the structure at will.[18] Within it he has threatened a galaxy, and stalemated a nourished Galactus until the latter ran out of energy and threatened to consume it If Mephisto’s physical form is destroyed, the character will regenerate and reform in his domain
    Mephisto is known for acquiring souls, but cannot subjugate the will of another being without the victim’s permission. This is usually some form of pact.

  • i will add more of one of the powerful marvel characters.
    1.the beyonder=The Beyonders are a race of immensely powerful entities who exist in a dimension other than that of the Earth. No one from anywhere within the Earth’s dimension has ever seen one or more of the Beyonders, and apparently no one ever will. The Beyonders are so different in nature from known beings of Earth’s dimension that it is beyond the scope of human comprehension to understand what kind of entities the Beyonders are. It is known that the Beyonders are not “beings” in the sense that that term is used to describe the known living beings in the Earth dimension. The Beyonders apparently do not experience time as a chronological progression, as the known living beings of Earth’s dimension do. The limits of the Beyonders’ powers are unknown. However, their nature is so alien that they are unable to leave their own dimension. Hence, Their dealings with the Earth dimension, they must operate through other agents. It is known that the Beyonders are dedicated to the desire of change.
    2.gladiator=The fiercely proud Gladiator is the leader, or praetor, of the Imperial Guard, a multi-ethnic group of super-powered alien beings who act as enforcers of the laws of the Shi’ar Empire. Gladiator was amongst the first of the Imperial Guard encountered by the team of superhuman mutant adventurers known as the X-Men who sought to rescue the Princess-Majestrix Lilandra from her insane brother, then-Majestor D’Ken. Following the orders of their emperor, the Guard clashed with the X-Men and were on the verge of winning when the band of interstellar freebooters known as the Starjammers arrived to turn the tide of battle in the X-Men’s favor.
    3.silver surfer=One of the noblest and most tormented cosmic entities in the universe, the Silver Surfer treasures freedom above all else, but has often sacrificed his liberty for the greater good. He was born Norrin Radd on the planet Zenn-La, part of an extremely long-lived and technologically advanced humanoid race which had created a worldwide utopia devoid of crime, disease, hunger, poverty, and want of any kind. Norrin’s mother Elmar, ill-suited to this stifling environment, eventually killed herself. Urged on by his atypically ambitious father Jartran, Norrin was raised as a grimly intellectual youth, encouraged to seek knowledge, advancement, and achievement rather than the aimless hedonism which had come to dominate Zenn-Lavian society. However, a disgraced Jartran would later commit suicide himself after he was accused of idea theft (though not before he had taken a new lover and fathered another son, Fennan, unknown to Norrin). Despite his lifelong love, Shalla-Bal, Norrin grew into a restless soul who longed for challenge and struggle, immersing himself in histories of Zenn-La’s adventurous ancient past.
    4.the watcher=The Watchers are one of the oldest species in the universe, and are committed to observing and compiling knowledge on all aspects of the universe. This policy of total non-interference came into existence due to a former, well-meant attempt by the Watchers to bestow advanced knowledge on another race which resulted in that race destroying itself. Despite this, the Watcher Uatu has revealed himself to the superhero team the Fantastic Four and made them battle the Red Ghost and his Super-apes for control of the Moon,[1] and aids them on several occasions against global threats such as the Molecule Man, Galactus, and the Overmind. After blatant interference with the mission of the Kree soldier Mar-Vell, Uatu is put on trial by his own race, but is released on the provision that he never directly interfere again.
    Uatu is later banished by his race for aiding the Fantastic Four against the threat of his rogue nephew, Aron, the Renegade Watcher, who tries to destroy the universe. The Dreaming Celestial later scans Uatu and learns the Watcher has broken his pact of non-interference almost 400 times. The Celestial also reveals the Watchers, like the Celestials themselves, are servants of a concept called Fulcrum, with apparent consequences for interference.
    There is also a tongue in cheek splintered off faction of Watchers that call themselves The Critics, who not only observe events, but also give dramatic critique as they take place. The only known Critic looks similar to other Watchers, but wears a mustache, goatee, dark sunglasses, and, rather than toga, dresses in a tweed sport coat.
    5.phalanx=Phalanx are formed when organic lifeforms are infected with the Technarchy’s techno-organic transmode virus. They pass through a lifecycle attempting to infect others before reaching critical mass. At that time, by hard-wired instruction, they build a “Babel Spire” to contact the Technarchy. The Technarchy, however, consider Phalanx to be abominations. They invariably destroy the Phalanx “nest”, usually by converting the entire planet into techno-organic matter and draining its energy.
    6.celestial=Referred to as “space gods” by the Eternals and the Deviants, the Celestials appear as silent, armored humanoids with an average height of 2,000 feet (610 m). Visiting Earth every thousand years in groups called “Hosts,” the group are revealed to have been responsible for the creation of both the Eternals and the Deviants over a million years ago, and the genetic manipulation is ultimately responsible for the existence of superpowers in mutants.
    7.skrulls=Millions of years ago, the Celestials performed genetic experiments on the reptilian ancestors of the Skrulls, resulting in three branches of Skrulls that eventually warred with one another. The Deviant branch — possessing the innate ability to shapeshift — were triumphant, and afterward wiped out all members of the other two races until only two were left: the Skrull Eternal, Kly’bn and Prime Skrull of the original Skrull race. Kly’bn implored them to spare his life, as killing him would kill part of their heritage. The Deviants’ leader, Sl’gur’t, fell in love with him, with the two eventually becoming the gods of the Skrull pantheon. As Kly’bn could not change, Sl’gurt vowed to never keep the same shape for too long. Prime Skrull escaped to Earth in the 20th Century and later became a member of the Underground Legion. From that point, the Skrulls began to expand their territory. The Deviant branch later split into two more groups, the modern Skrulls and an anomaly called the Dire Wraiths, a parasitic race that could still shapeshift and had use of magic, but were not as technologically advanced as the Skrulls.
    The modern Skrulls originate from the planet of Skrullos, in the Drox System in the Andromeda galaxy, and were originally a mercantile civilization, primarily interested in free trade and willing to share their technology with all races they deemed worthy. When they encountered a new race, they simply transformed themselves to resemble that race. The Skrull empire that resulted from these contacts was based on free trade and mutual cooperation. The empire is controlled by an Emperor and each of the 978 worlds is controlled by a Governor.
    8.space phantoms=The Space Phantoms are the servants of Immortus, the Master of Time. For many years it was assumed that there was only one Space Phantom, but in the course of the Destiny War the Avengers discovered that there was more than one. During a journey back in time to 1873, a trio of Space Phantoms was caught impersonating the Gunhawks and the Black Rider. The Space Phantoms were previously said to have originated on the planet Phantus, in the Phalbo system in the Milky Way Galaxy.
    Immortus traps individuals who become lost in Limbo, and due to the nature of that plane, they begin to forget their former lives and change into misshapen beings. Immortus conditions these into servants who can perpetuate his schemes and manipulations of historical events. The Phantoms can assimilate anyone, even to the point of torture and escaping notice of even mind-readers.
    9.blackheart=Centuries of murder in a locale named Christ’s Crown, New York, draws the attention of a demon-lord, Mephisto, who creates a “son”, Blackheart, from the energy of the accumulated evil. Blackheart explored the nature of evil under his father’s tutelage, clashing with and failing to corrupt Daredevil and Spider-Man. Mephisto and Blackheart once tormented Daredevil, Brandy Ash, the genetically engineered Number Nine, and the Inhumans Gorgon, Karnak, and Ahura, manipulating their emotions and tricking them. They were soon drawn into hell for worse torments. Brandy Ash did not survive.
    Later, in an attempt to be free of captivity, Blackheart makes contact with Misha from the group Warheads and becomes the source of her pre-cognitive visions. Eventually Misha’s squad, Kether Troop, invades Hell itself and frees Blackheart, who was temporarily in the disguise of Doctor Strange. Blackheart’s plan to have the Troop slay Mephisto falls apart.
    Mephisto sent Blackheart to Earth with diminished powers to learn humility. Blackheart returns to Christ’s Crown and tempts Ghost Rider, Punisher, and Wolverine to the town itself in an attempt to corrupt them. Blackheart brainwashes the entire town and kidnaps a young girl all three men had befriended. His stated goal was to get the three men to cross their own personal line of not harming the innocents; Blackheart states crossing this line would soon allow the trio to destroy Mephisto. The group eventually follows Blackheart and the girl back into his own realm for a final confrontation. Blackheart is defeated and everyone leaves safely.
    He later again attempts to commission their services, using them to help him finally destroy Mephisto, and taking over his portion of Hell.
    Alongside the Grim Reaper, Blackheart brings Wonder Man to Mephisto’s realm to battle Mephisto.
    Blackheart is killed during the final issues of the second volume of Ghost Rider. Blackheart had created a group of Spirits of Vengeance, in order to oppose the Ghost Rider, who he recently found out was Noble Kale. Blackheart tricked Kale and tried to make him as a member of his group of Spirits of Vengeance, promising Kale the power to rule in Hell alongside Blackheart. In the end, The Ghost Rider double crossed Blackheart and killed him, freeing the other Spirits of Vengeance, and gaining rule over Blackheart’s portion of Hell.
    He is later seen alive and attending a meeting with Mephisto, Satannish, Hela and Dormammu about a disturbance created by the newly resurrected Magik, who is looking for the soulsword and the original Bloodstone amulet. Belasco’s daughter, Witchfire appears during the meeting and reveals she is now the current owner of the original amulet and vows to take her father’s place as ruler of Limbo and seat at their table.
    10.doctor strange=Doctor Strange is a master magician, and was the holder of the title of “Sorcerer Supreme” of the cosmos for many years. Eternity, the sentience of the Marvel Universe, has described Strange as “more powerful by far than any of your fellow humanoids”, narration has described him as “the mightiest magician in the cosmos”, and the Stranger considers him on a level with cosmic entities.
    Doctor Strange can use magic to achieve virtually any effect he desires, such as telepathy, energy blasts, teleportation, astral projection, the creation of materials (such as food and water), creating planet-wide protective shields, restoring himself from bodily destruction, or resurrecting the dead.
    When casting a spell, the character is often written to be invoking the name of a mystical entity, such as one of the Vishanti (Hoggoth, Oshtur, and Agamotto) or the group the Octessence. These entities usually lend their power to a particular effect, such as the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, that Strange can use to entrap foes.
    Strange is capable of stopping and reversing time on a planetary scale, sealing black holes, restoring universes, absorbing power enough to unconsciously destroy any surrounding galaxies, growing to the size of and merging with universal concepts, and helped to channel the mass of the entire Marvel Universe. Among other things, he has defeated the In-Betweener, and the Beyonder stated that Strange had him at a disadvantage when in a previously disoriented state. Strange has shown he is able to contact others telepathically even if his body is paralyzed.
    Strange was also schooled in the use of dark magic by one-time foe Kaluu, using it to temporarily destroy the entity Shuma-Gorath.[citation needed] The use of this magic, however, was both addictive and corruptive and Kaluu had to purge the magic from Strange before it could take full effect.
    Since passing the mantle of the Sorcerer Supreme and the Eye of Agamotto to Doctor Voodoo, Strange’s magic is not as powerful as it once was.[citation needed] However, he is still a considerably formidable sorcerer regardless.
    if you dc fans still want more just ask

  • and to all dc fans i know some of you are exited about the movie the avengers and ghost rider spirit of vengence movies i’d be surpriced if you watch those movies with a smile

  • guys stop with all the crap about marvel winning there is NO WAY, dc has the best characters (best fighters) superman, flash, green lantern, batman! CMON PEOPLE u gotta realize the truth thatd dc is the best

  • HAHA World War Hulk, Sentry, Doctor Strange, and many others would lay waste to the entire DC universe, not to mention strenth in numbers. World War Hulk will open your mind DC believers.

  • the only thing marvel has going for it really would be the number of characters with regenerative powers, they wouldnt really be hard to kill but they would be a nuisance every week or so. Marvel certainly has its heavy hitters but if you look into dc in depth you will see that every main JLA character (excluding hawkgirl who is kinda a wimp) that is green lantern, the flash, wonder woman, martian manhunter, superman, and lastly batman you will see that in the end they all become godlike beings of immense power who can only be stopped by one or more of the other godlike members of the justice league. Superman prime for instance able to travel through time and space in the blink of an eye with limitless power, the ability to alter reality and a suit that protects him from red sun radiation while feeding him his power source yellow sun and an immunity to kryptonite since in his universe krypton was completely absorbed by its sun insteead of exploded so theres one god in the making whos only weakness is a slight fear of speedsters like flash (who he can basically teleport away from if needed.)
    God number one
    The flash with full activated speedforce exists everywhere and nowhere at once and unlike his marvel counterparts he has no limit to his speed. there was even a marvel comic called quasar 17 where all the marvel speedsters ever were beaten by barry allen. so noone could catch him and he can kill anything before it even knows its happening the only downside is he is always running from death(aka if he stops moving long enough he dies. but since he exists everywhere at the same time its impossible to imprison him and his mind works too fast to be worked with by telepathy.
    god number two
    Martian manhunter has telepathic powers rivaling any marvel telepath(he has linked his mind to every mind on earth many times and once in the universe) it takes cerebro for xavier to do that and even then he is drained, he also can grow/shrink/change shape/appearance into pretty much whatever he wants, has xray and heat vision, is incredibly strong, can become intangible, can fly and make himself invulnerable. his only weakness used to be fire but he got over that later on in his mythos.
    demigod at worst
    The green lantern already has limitless power only held back by his weakness to yellow energy and the creators mind but when he becomes parralax he can litterally remake the universe in whatever image he deems suitable and easily wipes out all of everything ever including the Guardians.
    Godhood
    WonderWoman was not initially thought to be any kind of mainstay and wasnt even a founding member of jla originally but her new post crisis version gives her the powers of SEVEN OLYMPIAN DEITIES including her bracelets which are inpervious to harm and if smashed together can create enough force to make superman bleed and can also shoot Zeus’ lightning out. she also has a huge armoury with practically all of the Olympians weapons and ways to make her even more op.
    GODDESS number five
    Now we get to batman i know i know all the batman fanboys will light my ass up for whatever i say but he isnt really a candidate for godhood he is however the only one of the superheros who ever set out and successfully killed EVERY DC VILLAIN the others simply erased their histories but he killed them so if bats was simply delegated to take care of all the more minor characters on marvels side while all the gods took on creatures like thanos, galactus, doctor strange etc he would have it in the bag.

    the main point i am trying to make is that these six together at their most powerful could take on the entire marvel mythos and keep on ticking dont forget there is also a crap ton of minor heroes that are just as powerful and can also assist, additionally (i think someone said it already) DC has literally thousands of alternate realities and planets within each reality all of which are just as if not more powerful. in the end if you could get through those 6 mainline fighters you still have armies and armies of heroes and villains coming at you even the surfer would have problems with that

  • you know David, I’m with you. But you really don’t need to be obnoxious about this. Just mention the one-above-all. He could wipe DC out by himself.

  • David you bring up so many powerful marvel characters but again you forgot about amazo no matter who you put to the field amazo can copy all of them and whoop thier ass.And yes hulk is an idiot. bruce banner is a scientist when he turns to hulk he turns to an idiot.
    Andre your right if your talking about that hulk he has a chance

  • oh yeah we also got rogue in marvel and if those powerful marvel heroes i said their gonna wipe out the entire dc universe and i know amazo i seen him silver surfer could kill him easily

  • really iron man can beat iron patriot nothing can stop iron patriot he is green goblin i think none can reply this message

  • Marvel would win. The flash and green lantern would be easily beaten by anyone. Cap. America would kill the bat and thor kills superman everytime. Hulk could kill wonder woman and a freak electrical storm could kill Aquaman. Doctor Strange would probably beat Cap. Marvel.

  • Also Galactus aone would just eat DC once wonderwoman ans Superman get their asses killed. In terms of not a war but general comparison marvel is just cooler. donnt get me wrong i like batman especially grant morrisons batman and robin and batman inc. but in marvel they actually have cool powers. Aquaman a faggot who can talk to fish. Everyone has to agree with that. Flash is fast its just too stupid if you think about it. Green lantern has a ring. if you sneak up to him in his sleep and take it hes screwed. anyone could be batman give me a year to hit the gym and id take him. Superman has literaly every power that he’s retarded. but i give credit where credit is due. how the hell do his writers thinkof a villain for him. same with flash. all HE has to do is one in a circle for 5 seconds theirs a tornado and the baddies in the middle of the atlantic ocean. So i guess thats how Aquaman gets his bad guys. HA. in the end if you disect it DC is a bunch of fags with either no powers or every power. give me a break. at least marvel has some good balance with powers.

  • Could the director of this forum please delete edge’s posts, because obviously he doesn’t know how to form sentences correctly.

  • Okay look, Who came first? DC. Who copied them? Marvel. Marvel is a wannabe company and DC will always be the original. DC is still better, DC owns, DC has better stories, DC has better superheroes, DC has better supervillians, DC has better EVERYTHING. But then again that’s my opinion, others with think differently, but DC is still the first.

  • Marvel was created 5 years after DC. I hardly think that they copied them, and I hardly think many people even knew about DC when Marvel came out. 5 years is nothing, and I wouldn’t put DC as first because it came out 5 YEARS BEFORE! And by the way, Marvel still has the strongest comic book character of all time.

  • Aris,

    Yes it does matter, because technically, DC created the whole idea of little books with superhero stories. Marvel saw it, they liked it, and wanted to do the same. It happens with pretty much any company that sells.

  • Oohhh DC came a few years before so it must be better!.. How does that even help your argument? Go take a rhetoric writing class then come talk to me.

  • Victor So the old cars from 1806 which was basically the first car is better than a 2011 car ,Cause it was made first. Thats how stupid ur coment sounds .

  • After spending hours and reading a lot of the comments. Here is my conclusion:

    Amazo or dr. Manhattan from DC will destroy the entire Marvel lineup combined x10. There isn’t anyone from Marvel that can defeat these two.

  • DC would win because of 2 very simple reasons:

    1. Marvel was bought by Disney. DISNEY. ’nuff said.
    2. DC came first. They are the original.

  • hey aris dont be so mean on this forum. i personally think nothing is wrong with me. and it doesnt matter about a stupid list to see who is strongest if i have to say it again fine i will listen carefully.if marvels strongest characters came on to the field amazo can copy there powers and get thier ass kicked. Will batman would annihalate capt A. captain america. they have the same combat training,caps has a shield but it isnt hard to get behind someone with a shield, and bats has gadgets that can take on people tougher than superman. it all boils down to intelligence and we all know when it comes to intel batman wins hands down

  • When it comes to a lot of the more powerful heroes on Marvel’s side, batman would be beaten down. Also, Hulk could take down a very large part of the DC forces, especially if he was alongside someone like Xavier to protect him from physic attacks.

  • actually i take it back. the flash can run at the speed of light, and he can just sacrifice himself to wipe out the marvellers, because something his size, without using vibrating powers, would release more energy than an atomic bomb.

  • ohkay all of these are good arguments but i personaly would go with dc because of there justice league.. hello have u seen there numbers of charecters and over that they have more heroes on other plannets and other galexis plus the whole green lantern corp and the other corps as well. marvel will get overuned by all these supers dc is to much for marvel

  • the. one. above. all. everything, every superhero, every world, every universe, every time period, every living or dead being, every entity, every object, every-f***-thing, is controlled by the one above all. amazo. cannot. copy. its. powers. what. the. f***. batman. would. die. instantly. marvel. wins. by. f***ing. default.

    and your really gonna say that because dc came first they would win? I could be just as stupid and say that because disney bought marvel, disney’s older than dc, and with your logic, marvel would win under disney. right? right? idiot.

  • To all:
    I’ve read all these comments, and it took me a while to finish. All I have to say is that facts will win opinions. Put aside your bias believes and all you have is facts and the facts say Marvel will win. Personally, I am a DC fan, but Marvel will destroy DC.
    It’s all in the facts, don’t believe me, look at the comments of Paul Atreides.
    and to Paul Atreides, amazing job.

  • You guys gotta put the multi-verse connection in w/the DC universe. Thus there would be an infinite amount of DC characters to fight. So there you go.

    I would def agree about the Doomsday/Hulk comment. But lets just say that the writers of that were f***ing idiots, because they didn’t really factor in the speed issue.

    This shows that many of you writing in these valid points should probably get paid for it.

  • http://listverse.com/2009/10/13/top-10-most-powerful-comic-book-characters/

    The One-Above-All is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. His powers are unlimited, incalculable and immeasurable.

    The One-Above-All is also Omnipresent which means that there exists only one, and in all realities at once.

    http://www.comicvine.com/one-above-all/29-44473/

    http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/fallen_reptile/most-powerful-comic-book-characters/75-13163/

    He could take away amazo’s power, make him disappear, erase him from existence, essentially do anything he wants, from the imaginable, to the unimaginable. Bet you never thought of the fact that amazo could be defeated before he even utilized his powers.

  • why can amazo copy the powers of thanos,the beyonder,ghost rider,the hulk,silver surfer,sentry,black bolt,iron man,thor,odin,the watcher,apocalypse,galactus,the living tribunal,abomination,red hulk,gray hulk,loki,mephisto,black heart,badoon,phalanax,dire wraith,venom,carnage,blade,dr.strange,the celestials,brood,rigellians,the space phantoms,enchantress that are one he connot copy if he can’t copy them then he can’t copy the one and above all and amazo that’s it superman could kill him easily

  • do u even know every marvel heroes or do u even read marvel comics there were beaten by iron man so it is impossible they can defeat the dc universe it’s true there are just bunch of scraps there are to weak and u are also weak you don’t know who is strong or not

  • iron monger,detriot steel and iron patriot is just a bunch of scraps they were defeated by iron man so weak they can’t kill the dc universe u got to try a better charater

  • Actually Aris, DC is under Warner Bros., and fun fact, Warner Bros. was founded 5 years before Disney was. Guess DC still wins, but nice try.

  • There’s three ways you can look at this battle, and in the end the winner really decides on how you want to see it. Before I point out the 3 scenarios, I am going to state that I am willing to look at this without bias, and I hope Marvel and DC fans alike can do the same.

    1. Aris and Paul have both brought out The One Above All, the creator of the entire Marvel multiverse, with Aris even claiming that The One Above All is more powerful than The Presence, DC’s version of “God.” What neither of them know is that when The Presence was introduced in DC Comics, an ultimate creator of the entire DC multiverse was hinted at. That puts the unknown creator at the same level of power as The One Above All, because both Marvel and DC Comics mention the existence of an infinite amount of universes. Since nothing can exist without both creators, when they finally fought it out, the entire multiverse as we know it would cease to exist, and there would be no winner.
    2. This is for those who read number 1 and thought “Who cares? This unknown creator doesn’t even have a name, so they shouldn’t be included.” If you wanted to think of the battle in terms of characters who have already been identified, then of course Marvel would win, seeing as no one could overpower The One Above All.
    3. In the 3rd scenario, we take out the creators, and we even take out celestial beings like Chaos or Dream or Death. If you think about it, all of these entities are omniscient and omnipotent, meaning they know everything and at the same time are capable of doing anything. In the end, infinity will equal infinity, there is no lesser than or greater than. At that point, it would be up to the comic book writers. Also, if you read back to the original post, Marcus Varner wasn’t even thinking about any of these omnipotent entities. Just by looking at the picture you can tell that in most people’s heads, when you ask them about DC vs. Marvel, they’re going to think of something similar to the Justice League vs. The Avengers + Fantastic Four + X-Men. In this conventional scenario, the strongest characters would be The Spectre and The Living Tribunal, both of whom would probably wipe each other out, as they have both been shown to accomplish anything they put their minds to. (Side note to Aris and Paul: Both of your sources are slightly flawed. To Paul, I found your tier list for both DC and Marvel, and they were both cited as “unofficial lists.” In response to the lists, users submitted comments and revisions to both, making neither list solid evidence. To Aris, your list is even more flawed because it included the Anti-Monitor and Darkseid but left out The Spectre. I’m not even going to explain how ridiculous that is. Most importantly, both of your sources contradict each other.) When you pit these “conventional superheroes” against each other, the ones that most people know about, then DC would win. The Smarter Aris already pointed out why Hulk could be easily defeated, and with The Guardians of the Universe + The Green/Yellow/Violet/Blue/Red/Orange/Indigo/Black/White Corps + Darkseid and his New Gods, not to mention the Justice League, the rest of the Marvel Universe would be easy pickins.

  • I never said whoever comes first wins. That was some other retard for DC. And Marvel still has the strongest character ever created. You can’t logically fight against that.

  • it dosen’t matter wich comes first what matters is how famous,exiting,strong and more better marvel is that one it is more famous,exiting,strongest,peoples choice,more movies than dc,better products,strongest super heroes and villains and better than dc

  • TOAA was put at the top of the list because he appeared before every other entitiy, BUT DC began 5 years before Marvel, so almost all DC superheroes appeared 5 years before TOAA, so therefore DC will overrun TOAA.

  • are you all forgetting professer x? He could kill every living thing in a heart beat if he just focused on it. so don’t tell me that marvel would lose

  • Please stop the arguing. No matter what The-One-Above-All
    can annihilate all of DC before anyone could copy his attributes. Anyways, he is uncopyable. So no matter how crazy your assumptions are about: superman beating the hulk, or any other irrelevent arguement, MARVEL WINS!!!!

    Also, the Presence isn’t equal to The-One-Above-All, it is stated that the Presence was created after reaity.

  • just like what i said it doesn’t matter which comes first what matters is who is better,famous,strongest and more creative superheroes and marvel is number 1

  • green lanterns,red lanterns and black lanterns vs galactus,silver surfer,sentry,black bolt and apocalypse will wipe out the entire lantern corps

  • doomsday,superman,supergirl,bane,croc,steel,lobo and batman vs the incredible hulk,red hulk,abomination,a-bomb,she-hulk,red she-hulk,gray hulk,sentry,captain america,wolvorine and thor = marvel beacause dc are weak

  • to all dc fans the hulk,red hulk,abomination,a-bomb,she-hulk,red she-hulk,ghost rider,black heart,mephisto,scarecrow,mephista,vengence,lilith,thor,
    iron man,war machine,captain america,loki,thor,the beyonder,silver surfer,gladiator,sentry,black bolt,dire wraiths,venom,carnage,symboniye,the watchers,rigellians,thanos,galactus,apocalypse,the skrulls,space phantoms,the celestials,mandarin,titanum man,blizzard,red skull,chaos king,death,atum the god reater,ego the living planet,dreaming celestials,infinity,kubik,onslaught,pheonix,phoenix force,zeus,zom,dr.strange,the fantastic 4,x-men,satannish,uni-lord,hoss,thog,daimon hellstorm,hela,pluto,asmodeus,dagoth,korvac,molecule man,shaper of worlds,the vishanti,asteroth,abraxas,the celestials,chthon,dormammu,elder gods,eon,eternity,gaea,the fulcrum,korvac,nightmare,the living tribunal and the one and above all will destroy the entire dc universe period.and who ever dc fan comments in this they don’t accept defeat so sorry dc fans marvel wins =)

  • ok, first things first, this fight would go on for so long that most of these heroes and villians would die of old age, some of the more cocky heroes would give, and/or take the other side. superman could wipe out quite allot of people but all that has to happen is silver surfer take all solar energy away and he’s a gonner. and noone has mentioned a major factor knight crawler (for those who dont know son of mystique from x-men, ability to teleport) could teleport behind allot of the dc characters like batman, flash, lex luthor, green lantern, robin, teen titans, bat girl, deathstorke, joker, harliquine, shazaam, cat woman, penguin, ect. and take a knife to there back hensforth good bye to all of them, susan storm ( invisible girl) could make a force field around a huge group of dc’s people and slowly make the force field smaller and smaller until they squeez together and crush all organs and bones allot of them are taken out, and pheonix a.k.a jean grey could just go crazy insane and marvel people could stay back and let her to allot of work, magnito takes out anyone that has any kind of metal or gadgets and uses it against them. so basically marvel wins hands down. and if all else fails most of the people from dc and marvel would never team up and they would kill lots then die themselves taking out a major amount of people in the universes. NOW THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHO WOULD WIN, MARVEL AND DC VILLIANS, VS MARVEL AND DC SUPER HEROES 😀

  • Idiot. It was put at the top of the list because it is more powerful than The Presence. Just because DC came 5 years earlier does not mean they would win. I did not start that phenomenon, I used it in a sarcastic manner to disprove another idiots argument. You are using facts that have no relation to who would win because you are out of options and excuses which would keep the DC universe alive in this “war”. TOAA is the strongest comic book character, with the presence disputed as being created after the beginning of existence, lowering his ranking as most powerful comic book character. He is omnipotent and his abilities are immeasurable and his powers are nigh unimaginable. He can wipe the existence of the entire DC universe out within a second, and amazo can do NOTHING to copy or stop him. Amazo isn’t even that strong of a comic book character. Your argument is invalid, and as I already stated before, Marvel wins by default.

  • aris is right marvel has already outnumbered dc marvel has more characters than dc and the most powerful comic book characters of all time toaa can banish dc from the universe whether they like it or not no matter how hard dc try they can’t win =)

  • to all dc fans marvel has outnumbered the dc marvel has more characters and the most powerful comic book characters of all time toaa will banish or wipe dc from existance by just using his mind whether they like it or not =)

  • Already stated above:

    “This means that to decide which universe would win, one would have to look at the highest-level characters of each universe. Since they’re omnipotent, the universe who has the most wins.”

    The highest beings in the DC universe are:

    – Tier 1 – [ 1st Class Beyond ]:
    The Over-Monitor/ Over-Mind/ Overvoid
    The Presence ( Yahweh / Elaine Belloc)

    – Tier 2 – [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:
    Meshta
    The Great Evil Beast
    Rama Kushna
    The Source
    Synnar
    Ultimate Darkness
    Ultimate Light

    In comparison, Marvel has:

    – Tier 1 – [ 1st Class Beyond ]:
    The One-Above-All
    Pre-Retcon Beyonder
    Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
    Protege
    Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
    Living Tribunal

    – Tier 2 – [ 2nd Class Beyond ]:

    Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
    Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
    Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet

    – Tier 3 – [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale ]
    Eternity
    Infinity
    Death
    Oblivion
    The Phoenix Force
    The Alien Entity
    Infiniti IG Nemesis
    Genesis ( Sise-Neg)

    “The Infinites should also be 1st class beyond (btw Marvel’s Tier 3 = DC’s Tier 2 because DC doesn’t have any “2nd class beyond” characters).”

    “Clearly Marvel has the edge, like I already said previously. Marvel would therefore undoubtedly win in a fight against DC. This is a fact based on the power levels of the characters in the two universe. Please stop bringing up lower-level characters, THEY WOULD NOT MATTER. Marvel wins this, end of story.”

  • I’d just like to point out some facts to Marvel fans that have been raging on this post. The Presence is not the most powerful character in DC Comics. It was hinted in the same issue when The Presence was introduced that there is an even more powerful creator who presides over the entire multiverse. Nicknamed the Over-Monitor, they are at the same power level as TOAA. Also, Aris and Paul’s sources are flawed. Paul’s “tier list” is an unofficial list created by users. If you actually look up the list, users were able to comment and suggest revisions to the list, therefore making it unreliable. Also, Aris’ list includes Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor but not The Spectre or the Over-Monitor. I won’t even go into detail on how ridiculous that is. Most importantly, Paul and Aris’ sources contradict each other. The fact that Aris quoted Paul shows that Aris didn’t even bother to look closely at the two sources. Lastly, there are some people mentioning that Marvel greatly outnumbers DC. That is also incorrect. In both the DC and Marvel comics, it has been stated many times that they both contain INFINITE universes. Infinity = infinity, neither is greater. That is also why the Over-Monitor is just as powerful as TOAA. You cannot argue that TOAA is more powerful because they both govern INFINITE universes. If they both entered battle the entire Marvel and DC multiverses would be destroyed, and there would be no winner.

  • TOAA is a representation of Stan Lee the writer. Obviously he was created, but TOAA is “the writer”. The writer is all powerful. The Presence admitted to being created in the comic, by the writers. He is not “the writer”.

  • TOAA is not the writer, the writer is the writer. The Presence can kick Kirby’s ass any day. TOAA would wilt under the presence of The Presence.

  • writer is the writer and toaa is the writer now do u understand and the presence is created and toaa is the one who created so your presence do not stand a chance against toaa and he’s not even in the top 10 most powerful comic book characters marvel has 3 and dc has only one so marvel wins sorry dc better luck nxt time =)

  • the presence is created but toaa is the one who created and the number 1 in the top ten most powerful comic book characters and your presence didn’t even made it to the top ten and marvel has 3 of the most powerful characters dc has only one sorry dc better luck nxt time =)

  • Idiot. It is stated that TOAA represents Stan Lee, the writer. Essentially, it is like the writer is inside the comic book itself making TOAA god. The presence admitted to being created, which means the presence is not as powerful as the writer.

  • I’ve read Paul Atreides’ comments, and I’ve got to say, Marvel really would win. I’ve always been a DC fan, but when faced with irrefutable proof, I know the best thing we can do now is to accept defeat.

    I’ve got to admit, though, I can’t see how two omniscient beings would go about fighting each other. I’m not disproving any of the previous arguments, but it’s going to be a hell of a fight if everyone knew what everyone else was going to do next.

    There should be an even more in-depth DC vs. Marvel storyline to settle this officially. I know, I know, Marvel would surely win, but watching a fight as legendary as this would be AWESOME.

  • But his creator isn’t in the comic is he. TOAA is the creater. Idiot. TOAA is Stan Lee. How many times do I have to say that. The creator vs a creation. The creator will win.

  • we are not talking about the writer of presence we are talking about the presence and toaa but toaa still wins because stan lee’s marvel comics is people’s choice no matter where u go marvel is more famous,better and more awesome than dc

  • The hulk is invincible because he will become stronger as he becomes angrier, he is kind of like a black hole he has continues power that never stops. In many episodes he has gotten no air for very long periods of time. Also the David Banner has learned to take control of the hulk.

  • Marvel would clearly win, they have so many cosmic beings such as Death, Eternity, Oblivion, Infinity, etc etc etc.

  • marvel will only use the one and above all,the living tribunal,the beyonder,odin,thanos with infinity gauntlet,mephisto,galactus,silver surfer and ww hulk

  • The Presence has a creator. Only a retard would think the DC Multiverse can pop up outta nowhere. The Presence’s creator > TOAA DC wins

  • But you don’t understand. The battle would obviously take place in comic form, not in real life. The presence does have a creator, but the creator is not in the comic. TOAA is the creator, and is a character, therefore, placing the creator in the comic. So, to break it down: Marvel has a comic creator in their comic, while DC does not. Marvel would win, because the creator is the most powerful entity in all comics, and their creator is in the comic. DC obviously has a creator, but it is not in the comic, so therefore The Presence is not as powerful. Can you read? Do you understand? Or are you just really dumb?

  • DC does have a creator that’s also a character. Obviously you spend too much time looking at unreliable sources like your retarded list. (Darkseid and Anti-Monitor are on the list but The Spectre isn’t? lawl) The creator’s name is the Over-Monitor, now try looking up a reliable source on that. Over-Monitor vs. TOAA
    Over-Monitor wins
    DC > Marvel

  • Lol, over-monitor isn’t that strong. He’s strong, but he’s not a god. Your really good at that aren’t you. The strongest character in the DC universe is The Presence. If The Presence isn’t a creator, guess what? DC isn’t as strong.

  • Over-Monitor is stronger than The Presence. You really have no idea what you’re talking about. The Over-Monitor is a giant piece of paper in which the DC Multiverse is but a little black ink stain. And the DC Multiverse has INFINITE universes. Since the Marvel Multiverse, which also has an infinite number of universes, would also be a little black ink stain, Over-Monitor could easily wipe out Marvel, not to mention TOAA. DC wins.

  • Omnipotent = can accomplish anything. Omniscient = knows everything. The Over-Monitor has all that and more. You obviously don’t read DC yet you spew crap and expect me to believe it. I have a quote directly from the writer of the Over-Monitor and I can bring it up anytime you want it. What do you have? Creative fiction from your head? Give me proof or your statements are useless.

  • The over-monitor was mentioned in a few lines, and then his existence in comics disappeared. He sent a probe, which became two monitors, one of which was the anti-monitor. He was never fully described. And the writer of the Over-monitor was on drugs when he wrote his shit. And you tell me I have creative fiction from my head? If you even knew about the over-monitor you would have mentioned him a while back. Nice google search moron. TOAA wins, and if you go by the logic which your probably going to bring up, the over-monitor isn’t even part of the DC multiverse. He found it, sent and probe, and left it alone. Idiot. TOAA actually created his omniverse.

  • Why do you nerds even care

    I do marvel will kick dcs trash

    What i was wondering is what characters would be match up together like batman to ironman blue beetle to spiderman superman to hulk king pin to lex luthor storm to aqua man

  • That would be kind of a thing to look at redskull
    It would be cool to think about what characters are against eachother

  • toaa is the creator nomatter how dc tries to beat marvel they can’t and u think that toaa is the only one who can destroy dc think again
    1.the living tribunal =The Living Tribunal is a virtually omnipotent entity that oversees and maintains balance in the realities that constitute the Marvel Comics Multiverse, including the (mainstream universe) and all alternate universes.
    The character is first encountered by Doctor Strange, announcing its intent to destroy Earth due to its potential for evil. After a series of trials Strange is able to convince the Living Tribunal that good also exists, and Earth is spared.[1] The Tribunal reappears to the Galadorian spaceknight Rom; appears briefly with the rest of the cosmic hierarchy when in discussion with the entity the Beyonder;[3] and reveals to the former Herald of Galactus (the Silver Surfer) that its three faces represent “Equity”; “Vengeance” and “Necessity” respectively. The fourth side of the Living Tribunal’s head is a void, with the entity claiming that it could have represented the face of the cosmic entity the Stranger.[4] The character also witnesses the triumph of the hero Quasar – acting as the avatar of cosmic entity Infinity – over the villain Maelstrom, who acts for the entity Oblivion.
    2.the beyonder =The Beyonder is the sum total of a parallel reality called the Beyond-Realm or simply “Beyond”, hence the name “Beyonder”. This dimension is accidentally accessed by nebbishy lab technician Owen Reece. Part of the energy from the dimension escapes and imbues Reece with near-infinite powers, which he wields as the villainous Molecule Man – potentially one of the most powerful villains in the Marvel Universe. The remaining energy of the pocket dimension apparently gains sentience and curiosity. Using its vast powers, the Beyonder creates a planet called “Battleworld” out of pieces of various planets (one such piece being a suburb of Denver) and abducts a number of superheroes and supervillains from Earth so that he can observe the never-ending battle between good and evil that rages within humanity at large.
    3.odin =Based on the god of the same name from Norse mythology, Odin is the son of Bor (father, one of the first Asgardians) and Bestla (mother, a frost giantess). Bor and Bestla also have two other sons, Vili and Ve. He claims to have created humans as he felt the world was lonely. But his father was angry and created things to plague humanity. With the aid of his brothers, a young Odin battles and defeats the fire demon Surtur.[1] Many millennia later, Odin would reveal the origin of his powers and the eventual fate of his brothers; they were killed by Surtur, but gave their power to Odin. Later Surtur was imprisoned inside the Earth for centuries by Odin after forming an alliance with the trolls. Odin becomes ruler of Asgard, and eventually falls in love with Gaea, in time becoming the father of the Thunder God Thor as he wanted a son who would be strong on both Asgard and Earth. He creates a cave in Norway for her to give birth in. He notices that Thor’s eyes are those of Bor’s though, and realizes one day ‘the wheel will turn again’. He then returns to Asgard with Thor, and his wife Frigga acts as Thor’s mother. Odin is also the adoptive father of Loki, a child of Giant blood whose father King Laufey is killed by Odin in battle. Odin adopted Loki as part of a deal with his father Bor’s spirit so that Bor would stop haunting him for replacing him, unaware that Bor’s intention was that the child would bring about his son’s downfall.Despite Odin’s best intentions, his sons become bitter enemies, with the feuding often requiring Odin’s mediation. Odin also was the father of Balder by the way of Frigga; thus, Balder is a half-brother to Thor.
    3.thanos =On Saturn’s moon of Titan lived a colony of Eternals, and Thanos was born as one of the last sons of the original colonists, Mentor and Sui-San. However, he was born misshapen and monstrous in comparison to the other Eternals, particularly his handsome and carefree brother, Starfox, and Thanos grew into a melancholy, brooding individual, consumed with the concept of death. More than any of his people, Thanos sought out personal power and increased strength, endowing himself with cybernetic implants until he became more powerful than any of his brethren. At some point, he was exiled from his community, although the accounts differ as to its cause. Some say it was because he committed a crime by being the first to create a weapon. Thanos himself once claimed that he vivisected his own mother in an attempt to investigate how someone consumed with death such as himself could have come into being.
    4.ego the living planet =Ego is exceptionally intelligent, although as its name suggests, it harbors an extreme superiority complex and can be emotional if thwarted. Ego is propelled through space via the engine Galactus implanted on it and can travel at faster than light speeds (for unknown reasons, Ego is unable to remove the powerful propulsion unit placed at its south pole). Ego has total control over its entire mass down to the molecular level; it often shapes its surface into the appearance of a gigantic face to address powerful beings, and can also shape its terrain to suit the circumstances. It is able to use its own substance to extrude tentacles, organic sensors, plant-like growth, and to create humanoid vessels for its consciousness. It can shape its surface to appear as a dead inhospitable world, or into an idyllic, lush green paradise to lure unaware space travelers to its surface, which it promptly consumes. Ego possesses various internal features analogous to a living organism, such as gigantic tunnels that have been compared to arteries, and a gigantic brain-like organ deep below its surface. It can heat up its internal temperature to destroy beings inside it. Ego possesses both digestive organs, which it uses when absorbing living beings, and an immune system with which to create powerful antibodies to destroy beings which resist absorption. It also possesses vast psionic abilities, and can project blasts powerful enough to destroy other worlds. He was able to read Thor’s mind during his first appearance and scan their biological structure.
    5.molecule man =Owen Reece gained superhuman powers by mutation through exposure to radiation from an experimental particle generator, which (as later revealed) also opened a “pinhole” into the dimension of the Beyonders, irradiating him with the energy that infuses a Cosmic Cube. As the Molecule Man, he has the psionic ability to manipulate all forms of matter on a subatomic level, and to manipulate all known forms of energy and to convert matter into energy or energy into matter, e.g.: the creation of powerful force fields and energy beams. He is able to manipulate some of the most powerful and most durable materials within the Marvel Universe including destroying and reforming Captain America’s shield, Thor’s enchanted hammer Mjolnir, and the Silver Surfer’s surfboard.During this time, Reece also destroyed Iron Man’s armor but is unable to reform it at this time due to difficulty with understanding the complicated circuitry and technology. However, over time, Reece’s skills have increased considerably, as shown during the Secret Wars mini-series. He can now manipulate complex pieces of technology with ease and can also open hyperspace portals, allowing him to travel at speeds much faster than light. As a result of the accident in which he gained his powers, the Molecule Man has a series of jagged scars radiating from the bridge of his nose in a lightning-like pattern. He can use his powers to conceal the scars at will.
    Although the energies that gave Owen Reece his powers came from the same power source as the Cosmic Cubes, Owen Reece generally does not use this capability to the same extent as “true” Cosmic Cubes do, limiting himself to manipulation of “mere” matter and energy. Regardless he has been able to effortlessly recreate an entire galaxy even in his regular state and on a later occasion unleashed his ‘darkest aspect’, which possessed sufficient might to fight, and overpower, the Beyonder in a more than 3-dimensional battle, which in turn was claimed by Kubik to be far less than his full potential.
    Originally, the Molecule Man subconsciously imposed mental blocks on himself to prevent his using his powers to their full potential. Hence, he believed his powers were ineffective on organic molecules. These mental blocks have since been overcome. Also the Molecule Man formerly had a psychological dependency on using a steel rod (“wand”) to focus his powers but he subsequently learned how to direct his powers without it. While the Living Tribunal has stated that the Molecule Man’s power is practically limitless, Reece himself has stated it to be below that of Eternity and the Tribunal.It is unknown how he compares to the Celestials, as Kubik similarly once claimed that these space-gods possess power several orders above its own.
    6.onslaught =Onslaught is a psionic entity with superior physical and mental power, possessing the combined abilities of Professor X, Magneto, Franklin Richards, and Nate Grey. At its prime, Onslaught is capable of telepathy, telekinesis, energy projection, sensing mutant presences, manipulating magnetic fields, and affecting reality itself. Onslaught can also enhance its physical size and strength.
    Onslaught’s powers were well over that of Omega Level. In his first form (when he was one with Xavier), Onslaught showed a wide variety of abilities including nearly limitless strength, and near indestructibility. Onslaught’s psionic powers appeared limitless, appearing to surpass even that of Xavier in his right mind. He was especially powerful in the Astral Plane, where he appeared to have god-like abilities. Even Jean Grey’s powers were completely useless against him. From what has been seen, he seems to have total mental control over anyone or anything he wishes, ranging from altering one’s perception to believe they are someone or somewhere else (he demonstrated this by making Wolverine believe he was a wolf pup, and making Storm think she was a child), to most conceivable forms of telekinesis. Onslaught also possessed many forms of energy projection, all of which at high levels of power.
    After fully evolving into his own, separate consciousness and having Professor X ripped from him in the Astral Plane, Onslaught evolved into a second form, less resembling Magneto and looking more like a cybernetic monster. In this form, his powers were increased to virtually godlike levels, including the ability to mass-manipulate (his complete takeover of all the Sentinels), create and reshape matter at will (shown when he created his citadel, and when he created a second sun to destroy Earth), and an apparent omniscience (as evidenced when he easily thwarted an attempt to sneak into his citadel). His physical strength was also shown to be at obscenely high levels; so much so he was able to literally rip the Crystal Gem of Cytorrak out of Juggernaut and throw him across North America and go toe-to-toe in a physical fight with the Hulk even after the Hulk’s mind had been blanked and his strength and rage set to incredible levels thanks to Jean Grey ‘shutting down’ the subconscious influence that Bruce Banner normally exerted over the Hulk to stop him going too far.
    For a time, Onslaught had these powers while still in his first form; the majority of these came from the absorption of Nate Grey and Franklin Richards. In the end, Onslaught’s true body was revealed to be a mass of pure, psionic energy that was immune to all forms of physical attacks.
    7.satannish =Satannish is a demonic being of pure mystical energy, an embodiment of evil. The guise he most often employs around human sorcerers is that of a green-skinned, horned being with a second face in his stomach. Satannish is more akin to a supernatural force of nature than a being; as such he possesses “virtually unlimited” mystic power which can be used for a variety of effects, including (but not limited to) inter-dimensional teleportation, manipulation of time, space, and matter, size transformations, casting bolts of mystic energy as destructive force, demonic possession, and physical strength and durability. The character’s extent of power has been shown as equal to that of Mephisto,though it was stated in the Official Handbook that he is one of two demons who can but “come close” to matching Mephisto in power and influence. Satannish’s ability to manifest in the dimension of Earth is, in some unknown way limited by mystic factors, and he frequently makes use of pawns native to Earth for his purposes. He also proved to be powerful enough to easily kill all the invading Skrulls who attempted to take Avalon’s magic, which no other magical being in Avalon was able to do.
    8.zom =
    At original full power Zom appears to have been by far the most powerful known demon in the Marvel Universe, considering that it (at the time) far exceeded even Umar in terms of raw mystical might, and even Eternity needed help from Dormammu and other mystical entities in order to imprison it. It once took the Living Tribunal to actually stop the fiend, although Zom greatly feared the Tribunal.
    Zom wields vast amounts of mystical energy and displays mastery of several different spells which Dr. Strange had considerable trouble deflecting.
    9.celestial =Kosmos and Kubik – beings who wield vast but undefined energy, matter, and reality manipulation powers in their own right – stated that a single Celestial possesses “power many orders of magnitude beyond our own”. The Celestials were capable of reducing the Asgardian construct known as the Destroyer to slag even when the Destroyer was imbued with the life force of all the Asgardian gods (with the exception of Thor);[11] move planets at will; and contain, create, and seal off entire universes.
    Reed Richards theorized that the Celestials’ source of power is Hyperspace itself – the source of all energy in the Marvel Universe – a suggestion seemingly confirmed by the Invisible Woman’s ability to destroy Exitar’s physical form with her hyperspace-sourced force fields. The Celestials have only been shown to be physically damaged in a handful of instances, most notably by the Invisible Woman,and the Odinsword-wielding Destroyer. Jean Grey recalling an echo of the power of the Phoenix Force within her also managed to destroy the hand of Arishem and Thanos, while in possession of the Heart of the Universe, managed to completely destroy a Celestial. The Celestials, however, are capable of instant regeneration from most injuries. According to the Dreaming Celestial itself, Celestials are possessed of such durability that they cannot truly be destroyed, even by other Celestials (which is why, as he explains, he was imprisoned instead of destroyed).It’s also revealed in the same graphic novel that the Celestials employ magic as their technology.
    10.the watcher =The Watchers are one of the oldest species in the universe, and are committed to observing and compiling knowledge on all aspects of the universe. This policy of total non-interference came into existence due to a former, well-meant attempt by the Watchers to bestow advanced knowledge on the Prosilicans who used the nuclear technology gained to create weapons and destroy itself. When the Watchers returned to Prosilicus, the survivors blamed them for the catastrophe by giving the Prosilicans nuclear technology before they were ready for it. The Watchers then took a vow never to interfere with other civilization.
    11.kree =The Kree Empire extends across almost a thousand worlds in the northwestern lobe (Earth reference) of the Greater Magellanic Cloud. They are the only race in the galaxy to possess the Omni-Wave Projector technology, a device which can enable communication across hyperspace as well as be used in an offensive capacity as a weapon. They also possess cloaking technology, which they call the ‘aura of negativity’.
    Kree technology includes advanced warp-drive starships, advanced robotics, cyborg and cybernetic technology, advanced genetic engineering, psionic technology (Psyche-Magnetron), advanced energy weaponry (Uni-Beam), nuclear power and weapons.
    12.skrulls =Skrulls are green-skinned reptilian humanoids with large pointed ears, red or green eyes, and corrugated chins. Skrulls are known for genetic and molecular instability, and genetic diversity, due to Celestial experimentation creating the Skrull “Deviants” (now the only surviving Skrulls). The Skrulls are known for their physical malleability and ability to shapeshift to any size, shape, or color at will, taking on the appearance but not the characteristics of other beings and objects within a volume range of .75 to 1.5 times the Skrull’s original volume. Skrulls are able to assume virtually any form, be it organic (e.g. cows ) or inorganic (e.g. lamp). As a result, the Skrulls excel at spying and infiltration. Skrulls are also able to use their shapeshifting abilities to form weapons (e.g. blades and clubs) with parts of their bodies, making them dangerous hand-to-hand combatants. Their sexual dimorphism is roughly the same of a human being, but their sexual orientation is more complex since they can change their genders at will. Indeed, Xavin once casually said that, for a Skrull, changing gender is comparable to a human being changing their hair color.[volume & issue needed]
    The Skrulls later developed the ability to render themselves undetectable when using their shapeshifting abilities, even from telepaths and those with superior senses. Reed Richards discovered a method to use technology to negate this ability and reveal a disguised Skrull’s true form.
    Courtesy of their advanced technology, the Skrulls have also been able to augment their abilities in certain warriors, such as the Super Skrull and War Skrulls – an elite group who with special encoding are able to emulate the powers as well as appearance of their templates.
    It is believed that Skrulls’ eyes are incapable of subtle visual perceptions as those of Earth humans, e.g. Skrulls once mistook samples of drawn artwork for photographs.
    Skrulls also possess the power to hypnotize humans with their eyes.
    13.silver surfer =The Silver Surfer wields the Power Cosmic, granting him superhuman strength, stamina, durability, senses and the ability to absorb and manipulate the universe’s ambient energy for a variety of effects.[citation needed] The Surfer can navigate through interstellar space,[citation needed] dimensional barriers,[citation needed] and hyperspace, which he can enter to exceed the speed of light when flying on his board,and has even proven capable of time travel on several occasions, even able to make others time-travel with him.
    The Surfer sustains himself by converting matter into energy; does not require food, water, air, or sleep (although he occasionally enters a sleep-like meditation in order to dream); and can survive within nearly any known natural environment, including deep space, hyperspace, and even within black holes[59] and stars. The Surfer can analyze and manipulate matter and energy,[citation needed] and molecularly restructure or animate matter at will such as causing vegetation to grow much quicker,[citation needed] even transmuting elements or creating objects.[citation needed] He can also project energy in various forms for offensive and defensive use, including the erection of force shields,[citation needed] bolts of cosmic force powerful enough to destroy entire planets, and create black holes.[citation needed] He can utilize the Power Cosmic to augment his superhuman strength to indeterminate levels. The Surfer can heal living organisms, though he cannot raise the dead, and he has proven capable of revitalizing and evolving organic life on a planet-wide scale. He can alter the size of himself or of other matter,[citation needed] cast illusions, and phase through solid matter.
    14.the incredible hulk =The Hulk possesses the potential for limitless physical strength depending directly on his emotional state, particularly his anger. This has been reflected in the repeated comment, “The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.” After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk’s potential strength had “no finite element inside.” His durability, regeneration, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper. Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where “Hulk was stronger than any mortal—and most immortals—who ever walked the Earth.”
    The Hulk’s level of strength is normally limited by Banner’s subconscious influence. When Hulk allowed Jean Grey to psionically “shut Banner off”, he reached a scale of power on which he managed to overpower and destroy the physical form of the villain Onslaught, at a time when it had reached a level with the fictional godlike entities, the Celestials.
    The Hulk is resistant to most forms of injury or damage. The extent varies between interpretations, but he has withstood the equivalent of solar temperatures,nuclear explosions, and planet-shattering impacts.Despite his remarkable resiliency, continuous barrages of high-caliber gunfire can hinder his movement to some degree, and this has been consistently portrayed outside the comic books, in both live-action films and animation. He has been shown to have both regenerative and adaptive healing abilities, including growing tissues to allow him to breathe underwater,surviving unprotected in space for extended periods, and when injured, healing from most wounds within seconds. As an effect, he has an extremely prolonged lifespan.
    15.red hulk =General Thunderbolt Ross is a master strategist in war and military tactics.
    Marvel editor Mark Paniccia has described the Red Hulk as “absolutely uninhibited, tactically intelligent”,while writer Jeph Loeb states “The Red Hulk is the kind of Hulk we haven’t seen before — a thinking, calculating, brutal weapon-toting kind of Hulk.” To further distance the character away from the original: “Everything the Green Hulk isn’t, the Red Hulk is.” The character has abilities almost identical to those of the current Hulk. The Red Hulk, however, does not become stronger with anger, but rather emits increasing levels of heat. The character can also emit heat at will from his eyes during non-enraged periods, and though he could augment power levels by absorbing various types of energy, such as gamma radiation (in one instance causing the Hulk to revert to alter ego Bruce Banner) and the Power Cosmic,Banner later modified Red Hulk’s brain chemistry to remove this ability. Red Hulk was created through a combination of gamma radiation and cosmic rays, and the satellites used to revert the Hulk to human form at the end of “World War Hulk” were used to power the device used to turn Ross into the Red Hulk. Unlike the green Hulk, the Red Hulk does not revert to human form when rendered unconscious, and his blood is a fluorescent yellow instead of green,remaining that color even in human form. Unlike the green Hulk, who gets stronger as his rage increases, Red Hulk’s body temperature rises with his anger. Though the heat is intense enough to melt desert sand into glass, it causes him to weaken, as his physiology lacks a cooling mechanism to deal with the excess heat. Red Hulk has also been shown to have a weakness to Negative Zone energy, which caused him burning pain and drained him when he attempted to absorb it.
    16.abomination =The Abomination is similar to the Hulk in terms of strength, stamina, speed, durability, and ability to regenerate. In contrast with the Hulk, he retains his intellect after transforming, and cannot change back into human form. He also possesses gills, enabling underwater breathing; and, he can enter a state of suspended animation when bereft of oxygen for long periods. Originally, the Abomination was approximately twice as strong as the Hulk; but, unlike the Hulk, his strength does not increase/decrease in proportion to level of anger.
    After being further empowered by Amatsu-Mikaboshi, the Abomination is considerably larger than before; can project hellfire; and is strong enough to rip off the shell of his successor A-Bomb (something which the Red Hulk had previously been unable to do.
    and let’s add galactus,gladiator,sentry,black bolt,thor,loki,ghost rider,mephisto,apocalypse,infinities,onslaught,shaper of worlds,the god eater,ego the living planet,eternity,chaos king,nightmare and hyperstorm that will beat the ass of dc universe bye bye dc = )

  • If every superhero on dc and every superhero on marvel fought eachother everyone would die, including your precious superman, but wolverine would just wake up and continue another like 400 years of living. healing factor, the hulk dont even got it. in fact you can do what you will to wolverine, got ripped in half by the hulk and hes still around kicking it. so marvel will win all because of wolverine

  • Guys, this has already happened. “DC vs. Marvel” It was a comics series. In the end, no one won. It was more like a truce. I mean, come on, they’re all super heroes. And by the way, that whole Hulk vs Superman thing. Superman wins. Just sayin’. It already happened and Supes won. End of story. But don’t get me wrong, I honestly hate Superman. I hate most of the DC universe. Except for Batman. He’s cool. Marvel FTW. Specifically Spidey, Deadpool and Wolverine FTW.

  • marvel wins know why dc people marvel has the 3 most powerful comic book characters in history more powerful than the presence second they got the best movies,games,products,shows and more famous than dc and marvel has also outnumbered dc characters marvel has a thousand characters so MARVEL WINS =)

  • you guys are who say dc will win are ignorant. because Dark Phoenix will and can easily kill anybody, especially if she takes magnetos helmet their is no stopping her. SO MARVEL HANDS DOWN!!!!!

  • Marvel would win, hands down. DC has a lot of good characters, i would almost call it a tie. but lets think here. the Sentry ripped a god in half, im sure he would woop supermans butt anyday. The Flash may pose a threat to everyone, but im sure the hulk or ironman could take him out. im sure we can leave out batman. hes good and all, but captain america or spiderman could easily defeat him. A major problem would be green lantern. F that, all the lanterns. green to black. DC has a lot of good bad guys compared to marvel, but i would hope that the silver surfer and galactus could pwn the anitmoniter. im a 13 year old geek guys, trust me. Marvel vs DC would probably be a tie, but im putting my bets on Marvel. That would make a good video game though.

  • ok first of all if there is anyone who hasnt read all of luke’s comment’s you shouldn’t even be here. and his very first coment dercribes everything. and also zero is right. there already was a dc vs marvel comic book series and superman killed hulk so lets just get that out of the way. And second, like has already been stated, cyclops could be captured and forced to show one of the dc characters where that device is that rips wolverine’s soul out of his body. so if anyone mentions winning because of wolverine ever again, they obviously didnt read the other arguments and dont need to be here. now, very extremely on in this discussion, the prof x vs martian manhunter was already explained by luke’s first comment and martian manhunter kills xavier. now galactus is powerful yes, but (im trying to base this off the comics as much as i can, but this has to be said) as shown in marvel vs capcom 3, galactus can be fought off by a team of people like chris from resident evil, hulk, and haggar (a very buff mayor with a pipe). chris is just a guy with guns, there are so many people stronger than him in the marvel universe that they shouldn’t even be compared, and haggar is just a buff guy with a pipe. but even in that team, you dont even have to use all of the characters. you can beat galactus with hulk alone. and if superman can beat hulk (like he did in the dc vs marvel comic book series) then that means superman could be galactus alone. so that takes care of galactus. now all we have to worry about is dark poenix because she is the only real threat to dc after you eliminate those guys. i have to admit, the phoenix force is super, super, super powerful, but all of their force is shown in their attacks, no defense. and if phoenix gets killed, she can’t come back. dark phoenix is less of a threat than wolverine. now i could be wrond about phoenix because i dont know much about the phoenix force at all, so if i need correcting on anything that has to do with phoenix, feel free to correct me. but everything else i know i have strait. and if i did make a mistake when it comes to phoenix, that’s still the only threat to dc in all of marvel so dont even bring up the ones i have already killed off. they’re dead, done, over, gone, and never coming back.

  • sorry i had a typo. i meant to say superman could beat galactus, not be galactus. once again sorry about that.

  • Superman was killed my Doomsday mostly because Doomsday was made a KRYPTONITE ! The hulk is still able to be killed.Superman is near Inmortal. I would aslo wanna see DareDevil vs Batman, That would be DC vs Marvels Main event !!! I’m a fan of both but in the War DC would win.

  • I say dc has the upper hand one because marvel is full earthly base super hero and dc is more of an advance super. But dc wins no doubt the seven original justice league members could take out the entire marvel race. Wait superman could do it by himself. His powers are super strength, speed, enhanced vision, heat vision, invulnerable, freeze breath, flight, x ray vision and let’s not forget if superman gets any context with the sun he heals automatically. So at this point not even kyritianite can keep him down for good. The best of marvel stand no chance against him wolverine can’t heal if he superman rips his head off before Logan even notices it’s gone, ironman might be intelligent and rich but a man of steel would beat an iron man, spiderman should even show up,prof x dead when he steps on the battle field, now Thor and superman both are lik gods however super man would win the battle with the advantage of super speed, ice breath and invulnerability. Marvel last hope is in the hands of a maniac the hulk super could easily destroy the hulk with ice breath and super man has unlimited strength hulk doesn’t and superman has flight man yu people do the math and make the problem and Ill solve it.

  • Dark Phoenix is no match if you can kill her before her reaction time the flash would have bn killed her and doomsday is to powerful for the hulk period. Basically no key can beat flash unless yu have the power to overrun him which who the he’ll can make someone tired if they cn travel at light speed hint hint that’s 7.5 laps around the earth in 1 second.

  • I am going to have to go with marval.
    Think about it they would face off like this
    hulk vs. superman anyone could win this fight depending on where and when.
    Captain america vs batman easy win for cap he is way more skilled and more then not likely one ww2 all by himself.
    thor vs. wonderwoman easy win for thor he is as strong or stronger then superman he can also control lightning and has a beatly hammer that he can control.
    He also is an asguardian and has tons of power from that with him.
    wolverine vs. superwoman easy win for wovlerine she may be like a second superman but wolverine is very strong, he can heal himself even though he is barely alive, and don’t forget he has a skelaton made of metle.
    He wouldn’t have a problem taking a hit or getting shot by lasers and still be ready to fight.

  • come on superman? it’s not enough marvel has lots of characters stronger than superman like black bolt,sentry,gladiator,red hulk,hulk and silver surfer

  • to all the lantern corp they must be prepared for galactus,nova,silver surfer,apocalypse,surter and mikaboshi they are gonna tear down all the core of all lantern corp

  • to the flash you think he is one of the most powerful wrong marvel has quicksilver he is as fast as the flash but silver surfer is 20x faster than the flash and if the flash battles magneto he won’t stand a chance no matter how fast he is he has the power of magnet that can stop the flash and magneto will twist the head of the flash and he’s dead and let’s not forget about graviton he controls gravity in his hands so even the justice league can’t stop him marvel wins

  • to the flash marvel has quicksiver he is as fast as the flash and silver surfer he’s about 20x faster the flash faster than the speed of light,sound and lightning and marvel has also graviton he controls gravity with his own hands he can sent any dc characters to space or pull you to the earth’s core even the justice league will fight him they don’t stand a chance marvel wins

  • silver surfer is faster than light,sound and lightning even if u combined them but the flash can only go with light so marvel wins =)

  • and to end this i will say this to all dc fans they don’t have a chance against apocalypse,pluto,nightmare,silver surfer,hulk,redhulk,abomination,mandarin,galactus,surter,
    dark pheonex,black bolt,sentry,odin,mikaboshi,thanos with infinity gauntlet,abstract entities,the beyonder,the celestials and most of all THE ONE AND ABOVE ALL dc is roasted toasted i’m sorry dc but that’s how it works MARVEL WINS!!!
    and to dc =( hahahahahaha LOL

  • David, light is faster than both lightning and sound so it really doesnt matter if u combine then because light is the universal speed limit u cant go faster than it. You could open up a worm hole and travel through that though.

  • marvel would win just because superman is the most powerfull in dc it doesnt mean he csnt be beaten i mean thor could own superman hell half of the people in dc at the same time considering he cant fly as fast as flash hes stronger than most people in dc and he has the odinforce he can do whatever he wants with it and about the hulk put him in the green scar persona he could kill everyone on the planet hes way stronger than normal hulk seriously marvel would win

  • Only reason why marvel would win is because that shit goes so far pass science fiction that half that stuff don’t make sense. While DC’s heroes are not as human their abilities and powers are somewhat imaginable and explainable. News flash you can’t move faster then the speed of light. As for “power cosmic” even if you can contain the quantum energy of this universe it wouldn’t give you any super powers or abilities. So in essence silver surfer and galactus are nothing more then idiotic power plants.

  • i read a book called the physics of super heros and it clearly states that superman is the most unrealistic of all the super heros marvel or dc. Galactus is from the universe before ours and the laws of physics could have been completely different, he also has tech. that we could barely understand. Hell, 50 years ago black holes were science fiction

  • it also says that Wally West, flash 3, could travel faster than light(impossable) and by doing so, travel across interdimentional spacetime, i mean really wtf is that?

  • as for the superman problem which everyone keeps bringing up i could come up with a million ways marvel could take him down

  • im back so listen up, i hate to say it but marvel would win. Marvel has an infinite number of multiverses so therefore an infinite number of marvels compared to DCs 52 universes. even if the DCers killed off the regular marvels they would face an infinite number of opponents. srry to all my die hard DCers its just the way it is.

  • srry bout the typo i meant to say thank you andre for all the points you made earlier, your one hard core marveler!

  • Thanks Chris, Marvel has more”normal” hero’s who got their powers from some freakish accidents; DC is more “born” with powers and way more loved in their universe. Marvel has to fight with the inhabitants to revere their heros so they are way behind in the love. s far as the strongest, The Hulk and Superman would literally destroy the universe. Hulk again has the upper hand because he needs no “sun” to maintain his power. Keep it coming you make a lot of sense. Excelsior!

  • Marvel vs Dc you know Dc will win. They,re villians like the joker, Darkseid, brainiac are smart, strong, and powerful. Power Girl, Black Canary, Wonder Woman are the three strongest women Dc has. They could demolish lots of Marvel men. Thing, and Hulk are big, so what Superman could cut them in half. Chris99 may have a point but who can stop him, name one. Luke Cage is a hard core man with a ugly additude. But there are many Dc people like Deadshot, and such who can over match him easily. Deashot has accurate aim, and could take him down with one shot. He almost killed Batman the greatest detective.